
15 April 1998
TRANSCRIPT: ALBRIGHT REMARKS AT HOWARD UNIVERSITY APRIL 14, 1998
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE Office of the Spokesman REMARKS BY SECRETARY OF STATE MADELEINE K. ALBRIGHT AT HOWARD UNIVERSITY April 14, 1998 Washington, D.C. SECRETARY ALBRIGHT: Thank you all. Thank you very much, President Swaggert, for that very kind introduction. Ambassador Dawson, officials of the university, members of the faculty and the (inaudible) center, thank you for your invitation to deliver the Patricia Roberts Harris lecture, although I must assure you that I came here as much to listen as to lecture. Most of all, I want to thank the students for coming out and for giving this former professor a chance to be back in a classroom and get a little bit away from my day job and spend some time with you. This is a great pleasure. I am very pleased how, President Swaggert, that you introduced Susan Rice, who indeed is a star and has just come back from the President's trip to Africa. And so I am very glad that she was here and I'm even more pleased since she is part of our department. I also want to introduce Diedre Davis, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Equal Opportunity and Civil Rights. Ms. Davis was a 1980 graduate of Howard Law School and is among the third members of her family, beginning with her grandmother and grandfather, who were Howard graduates. Now, there is one thing that I did learn as a professor; that is, addressing a big group of students just before lunch is a bit like being a gladiator in the lion's den, and it is very, very important to keep the audience entertained. So I will try to be brief and spend as much time, I think, listening to your questions and answering them and having a good chance to have an exchange. Let me begin by mentioning a very obvious point, which is that the world that you all are about to take over is quite different from the one that my generation inherited and is trying to do something about. When I was a professor, and even more when I was a student, I spent my entire time studying the Cold War. I was an international relations major, a political science major, and basically spent a great deal of time studying how the Cold War was carried out, how it affected the rest of our foreign policy, how regional alliances were set up in order to deal with the Cold War. And the more that I taught about it, the more I realized that all our foreign policies, in some form or another, were somehow constructed with the Cold War model. I remember giving a lecture at a university across town at a certain stage after the Berlin Wall fell, and said this to the students of that stage: The Cold War is over but I think, to a great extent, the role that we now have now is much more complicated and, arguably, could be said to be more dangerous. Now, there were a lot of students who disagreed with me, and maybe some of you will today. But as dangerous as the Cold War was when there were missiles pointed at the United States and we had missiles pointed at the Soviet Union, to a certain extent there was some rationality to it. We talked a lot about mutual assured destruction, various forms of deterrence, and it was a regularized way that we tried to get countries to be on our side and get them away from the other side, and the same thing that went on with the Soviet Union and its satellites. And so now what we've done is kind of open the whole system up, and thereby created a whole host of challenges and fascinating problems and, mostly I would say, opportunities. But I think the argument could be made is that what we have out there is basically a much more complicated world. When I got to my first Clinton administration job, which was to be Ambassador to the United Nations and I was surrounded 183 -- 182 other countries because there were 183 at that time and now 185 -- being a professor, I tried to make some sense out of what I was seeing and to try to group the countries in some way. So I saw it basically as a room that was divided into four kinds of national groups. The first group is the largest group, and the one composed of countries that see a value in a functioning international system, who obey the laws, conventions, and treaties; who try to establish various regimes, arms control regimes, nuclear non-proliferation treaties, the Vienna Convention, a whole host of issues that we are trying to work on together and benefit from. Now, we do not necessarily agree with the kind of governments within that group but, on the whole, this group does have a sense of being a part of an international system from which there is some benefit to them. The second group -- and there are also a lot more of these countries, I think, recently with the end of the Cold War and obviously with newly developed countries -- that are what I would call societies in transition, countries that very much want to be a part of the international system but may no have all the institutional infrastructure to be a part of it, and have the desire to be part of that group. The third group are the ones that are the outsiders. We have called them the rogue states at certain stages, but basically what they are are states that feel that they not only have no stake in the system but, on the contrary, that their very being revolves around the fact that they want to undo the system, literally throw hand grenades into it to destroy it. The fourth group are countries that are basically -- the only way to describe them are basket cases that have no structure at all, that may not have a government, that may not know what the size of their territory is, and they are genuinely just there having eaten their seed grain, figuratively and literally. Now, as being there as the American ambassador, it occurred to me that our long-term goal of moving into the 21st Century is, frankly, to try to get everybody into that first group. So what that means is supporting as we can the societies in transition, trying to reform the rogues in some way, and trying to do what we can to help the basket cases be able to stand on their own feet. That, I think, is a good long-term goal for the United States because -- and for the rest of those that are within the international system, because that makes a more stable world. The United States believes, as our foreign policy, that we are more comfortable living in a world that has countries in it that are democratic and have free market systems because that allows all people the greatest hope of peace and prosperity and the ability to become people that can travel and learn and invest in a global economy and feel that our interests are being pursued. And we believe that democracies do not go to war with each other. So that has come as a long-term goal for us. The question is how we get from here to there, and that is the problem of the moment because what is clear is that the United States is the sole remaining superpower. There are those who resent it and there are those who depend on it, and there are those that actually fit into both groups, that because they depend on it they resent it. And there is no doubt in my mind that however one states it, at this stage the United States is kind of the organizing principal of the international system. And we very much don't want to be out there by ourselves as the organizer and as the only superpower. People don't believe that. They think we just want to be king of the hill, but we do not. Our desire is to develop a whole host of regional and other alliances, other groupings, ad hoc groupings, partnerships, that would allow us to have other countries that share in the same rules that we do and have shared goals. And I think people wonder where is it we want to go in the 21st Century, and where we want to go is into an international system that allows the United States and our citizens to prosper and, at the same time, bring the others along in some form or another. Now, when I was teaching Poly Sci 101 or International Relations or, as they called it in Georgetown, "Mo-Fo-Go," Modern Foreign Governments, we talked a lot about what is foreign policy about. The very basis of foreign policy, which I am sure you all have in your textbooks, is it is the duty of the elected officials and appointed officials of any country, this country, to protect our citizens, our territory, and our way of life. Now, in a different era, that was a different set of objectives because, remember, our territory was much more protected. While the United States, the last time I looked, was still behind two oceans and we have two friendly neighbors to the north and the south, our territory now needs to be protected from top and bottom, from a variety of environmental problems. And so protecting our territory is a more complex issue than before. Protecting our citizens is more complicated. We are a peripatetic people. There are Americans all over the place. They are traveling everywhere, they are investing everywhere, and we want to be out there, and; therefore, protecting American citizens as they invest and travel through the various problems that they are faced with is a part of the responsibility of foreign policy. And then our way of life. Our way of life is extremely complicated and depends on a global economy, depends on not having drugs, depends on not having more refugees than this country can handle, disease coming in. So it is a much more complex issue than it was at the beginning of this century. Now, I see the greatest threat to our society at the moment the weapons of mass destruction. Well, that is kind of a phony word, I've decided, because we ought to call it what it is. It's nuclear weapons, it's poison gas, and it's biological warfare. Those are weapons that know no boundaries and they are a huge threat to us. Other things that threaten us also know no boundaries. Drugs know no boundaries, refugees know no boundaries, and El Nino knows no boundaries. Disease knows no boundaries. And, therefore, as we look at what we need to do in the 21st Century, we need to be proud of being a part of the biggest multicultural society in the world and proud of our sovereignty but, at the same time, prepared to understand that we gain as a nation when we participate in organizations that actually multiply our power and our sovereignty by allowing us to deal with whatever problems of these 21st Century threats. 21st Century threats know no boundaries, and I think that if I were here on a daily basis and giving 50 minute lectures and quizzes, that would be what I would want to know is what do you see as the 21st Century threats. Now, I do want to spend a few minutes talking about one organization that I do think helps us a great deal and that is much misunderstood in the United States, and that is the United Nations. There are those in this country who believe that the United Nations is some kind of alien organization, literally alien; that is, it will swoop down and has a fleet of black helicopters that would swoop down at any minute to steal your lawn furniture, that they are trying to take over various states, and that they basically are a corruption of American sovereignty. The problem with that is it's just dead wrong. We invented the United Nations. The United Nations was born in the United States and created by American Presidents, Roosevelt and Truman, and by Eleanor Roosevelt. We are the United Nations, and for us to see it as an alien organization is contrary to our national interests. We can do a great deal of business through the United Nations and, therefore, what I am calling for, and I hope that as all of you begin to see our role in world, you will also agree with me that the United Nations is good for the United States and that then it goes through the specialized agencies as well as its central focus, that it helps Americans in every way and, therefore, that we ought to pay our bills at the United Nations. This is one of our largest issues that we're dealing with in Congress now and I hope very much that as you look at the strategic structure that I've presented for you, that you will understand how important the role of the UN really is. If you want, I'm happy that we can talk about some of the other issues involved with that. Let me just close this part of my formal remarks to say the following. That is, that I think that we have -- I have in my office three portraits, actually, of Thomas Jefferson for all the obvious reasons -- because he was the first Secretary of State, and I have to tell you that on a daily basis it blows my mind to think that I have the job that Thomas Jefferson had. Second, I have Ed Muskie, because he was kind of my patron saint. I worked for him in the Senate and he was what I hope everybody has in life, is somebody that is a mentor and a friend and a guide and somebody that you look up to. And then I have Dean Atchison, and I have Dean Atchison there because he was there, wrote a book called Presidential Creation, and he wrote about what it was like to be Secretary of State at the end of the second World War and how various organizations were created in order to help the free world that existed in that Cold War period. I don't want to be presumptuous, but I do think that women have begun an era now in the post-Cold War period where we have the same opportunity to create a variety of structures that will take us into the next half century. And what I have asked to be done in my office now is I ask people to compile all the various ad hoc organizations that exist in all the various parts of the world that have just kind of blossomed, because organizations often blossom in response to a specific problem and they are there for functional reasons to deal economic issues in the Balkans or they may be there in Asia to deal with some of their regional security issues. And I'm putting these charts together because I think that what we have there is the beginning of the new post-Cold War structure and various organizations that will be the underpinnings of that international group of all the countries being in the first group of countries in order for Americans to feel comfortable and for all of us to be able to prosper because, when we prosper, we think that is a way that the rest of the world can prosper with us and be our partners in it. On that note, let me conclude this part and I'll just be open to your questions. Q: Madame Secretary, I would like to know if you feel the meeting was successful in your interviews in requesting a stay of execution for Mr. Breard from Paraguay and how do you think this will affect relations between our two countries? ALBRIGHT: Thank you very much for asking that because I think that question has been on people's minds today and yesterday and for some time. I think, let me put it into the context of the remarks that I made, and that is, that we are part of an international system in which it is important to respect the various rules and conventions and laws that have been created to make that system work, that first group of countries. And among those rules that are there are ways that foreign nationals are treated in another country, how diplomats are treated, how we deal with issues when they have committed a crime -- something as simple as a parking ticket or as dreadful as what happened in Virginia. So there are rules, and the reason that there are rules, and we have been the creators of many of them, is because we benefit from them. As I said, there are a lot of Americans who travel abroad who sometimes get into trouble and who need to have the availability of our consular officers to be able to visit them if they have them jailed unjustly, or even if they've been jailed justly, or if they find themselves in some kind of a difficult situation that they, in other words, are able to call home. And it's something that is very important to us and, as Secretary of State, to me in protecting Americans. As I said, it's not an accident that I state what I talked about what the role of foreign policy is -- to protect the lives of American citizens. So that is part of my responsibility. Now, what happened here is that Mr. Breard committed a heinous crime of rape and murder and was sentenced to death by the State of Virginia. He then alleged that he had not been given proper consular advice and it turns out, apparently, that he had not. But the decision has been made that even if he had, that it would not have in any way changed the sentence or in any way changed the situation, which is why we are not asking in a specific way that the Solicitor General, in terms of going to the Supreme Court, in terms of staying the execution from that perspective. But from my perspective as Secretary of State, I believe that I need to make clear that there are other aspects: the foreign policy aspects. Now, the foreign policy aspects have to do with the fact that Paraguay took this to the International Court of Justice, and the International Court of Justice one where many countries, as you know, do not believe in the death penalty, plus our concerns the issue as to whether this person actually was given due process, has the case in front of it now and it has requested us, as a country, to have a stay of execution to use whatever means possible. And so what we have decided is that we have the discretion to ask for a stay from the perspective of foreign policy, which I have done, because we respect the International Court of Justice as a part of the system that I described and because it is very important from a perspective of Secretary of State to assure ourselves that our citizens, were they to find themselves in any trouble whatsoever abroad, that they also would be afforded their rights. So we don't have a requirement to fulfill the International Court of Justice, really almost a request. We have the discretion to do it, which is why we have handled it the way we have and I don't want to comment on whether the governor will respond or not. But in my writing to him I made very clear that I understood the heinousness of the crime and respected the State of Virginia and respected our laws but, at the same time, as Secretary of State, that it is very important to lay out some principles about how we behave within the international community because we expect to have reciprocity on that. It's a very tough issue and it's very interesting. I think it's going to have some precedential values because there are some other cases like this around. I do think, and the State Department is now under orders in order to make very clear to state and local officials that they have a responsibility to let a foreign national know that he or she can, in fact, have consular advice. And that part, I think, is very important because that protects American citizens. Long answer, and I appreciate that fact that you asked it. Q: I'm a senior here at Howard University. You talked about how the -- the protection of the American way of life and you listed refugees as being one of the threats to the American way of life. I was wondering if you could give me, if you could provide us with a definition of what the State Department's definition of what a refugee is, and do Haitians fall in that category? And also, how do refugees threaten the American way of life? ALBRIGHT: Let me clarify that. I think refugees, of which I am one, frankly -- I came to this country as a refugee -- are a term that has do with either a political refugee escaping from a particularly harsh political system. Now, what I think is a threat to our way of life is illegal immigration. And I say this with some difficulty because as somebody who came to this country as an immigrant and a refugee and grew up thanks to the generosity of the American people, I find it very hard to think that our borders are not the most open in the world, and they are to legal immigrants. I think that what we are concerned about are illegal immigrants who have the largest -- as a country we take in more immigrants than any other country in the world. We have the most generous immigration policy. But what is a concern is when illegal immigrants come and undermine a variety of the systems that work in order to make our society function. I can't answer you specifically. There are certain Haitians that are obviously eligible to come, others who are not. But what we thought -- and if you talk about Haiti specifically -- and let me just also add this. There, frankly, is nothing sadder than when people have to leave the country of their birth. I think as great as this country is, people actually probably prefer to live where they were born and be able to make a living there and be able to exist within their own societies. And when they are thrown out as a result of a political situation or the threat of genocide or a variety of problems, it disrupts their lives. And then as the Haitians have arrived by boatloads or on rafts that were unsafe and many of them died, they created a problem for the southern states, and they also were a human tragedy, which was one reason why we worked so hard to change the situation in Haiti and allow the possibility of people to stay once they came and improved their lives there. But I think that, generally, the whole issue of refugees across the world is a great concern to the United States. There are just huge numbers of people moving across Africa as refugees who are creating problems in terms of how they settle down in the societies, whether they are received properly, whether they then become victims of genocide, whether they are kind of a moving group that has trouble integrating into any part of the countries from which they have come or where they are going. And boat people, generally I think, create a certain kind of difficulty for the international system to absorb. I don't think that any specific refugee is a threat to American life. I'm just saying it is a disruptive element where America is the kind of a country that believes that we are most comfortable in the world and societies are at peace. Q: In 1823, there was a Monroe document signed -- the United States saying that they would not interfere in the domestic policy of other countries. Today, America has decided that it's in its best interest to interfere in order to secure the free world. My problem is that the free world is being secured at the expense of the people who are supposedly not living in the free world. We have issues in -- I'm from Nigeria -- we have issues in Nigeria where Shell Oil admitted to providing weapons that were used to kill -- that were used to kill the Ogoni people in Nigeria. The United States said nothing about that. We had an issue in South Africa where weapons were siphoned through the Israeli government into South Africa. And my question is what would it take for America to have a consistent policy when African countries are involved. ALBRIGHT: Let me say that -- and if I could put again that into a larger context -- I think that President Clinton has just come back from what I think has been a remarkable trip to Africa in which it's the first time that an American sitting president has really had a comprehensive trip in Africa, being able to meet with a variety of people at -- not only officials but average people within their societies and really absorb a great deal about Africa. I myself have the sense, again, especially when I was in New York at the UN, that we all had a great deal to learn about Africa. And one of the African diplomats there said to me, "You know the problem with Americans is that they see Africa as just one continent." And he gave one example. And I'm just picking a country at random. He'd say: You know I'm from Ghana. And I'd meet an American. And he'd say, do you know my friend who lives in Harare? And just no sense about who was where, and you know, any relationship. And I think that there are lots of Americans who also see Africa as only a continent, in many ways, that is destitute, where there has been genocide, where people -- where there have been droughts, where Americans are basically very generous people. And I think that in responding to starving children, there has been an outpouring, and then people forget. I took a trip to Africa -- several, but my most recent in December. And then the president has just been there with an attempt to try to change how we think about Africa and also how Africans think about the United States, and to deal with issues where assistance is needed, to talk about debt relief, to -- but also to talk to African leaders as equals, as partners. I said in my opening remarks that we wanted to have more partnerships, that we wanted to deal with people on an equal basis, and to respect them and have them respect us. And so the president has put forward a whole bunch of initiatives that would in fact, help in terms of trade, in terms of dealing with countries in Africa on a basis of mutual respect. At them same time, there's no question that assistance is needed in a variety of places, refugees have to be dealt with, disease, et cetera. The problems of arms has been a genuine problem, and to some extent, a remnant of the Cold War. When I taught, I taught about Ethiopia. One of the hardest things was to explain to students how many times Ethiopia had gone back and forth between being a Soviet client and being a U.S. recipient of assistance. And a lot of the arms have to do with those kinds of trades back and forth. I personally was critical of what happened with the Ogoni people and I made a point of that in the UN when the Saro-wiwa murders happened. So we have spoken about that, and we have dealt with a large part of some of the South African issues. I think it is very important, frankly, that their regimes of arms control be directed at Africa. We are trying to create and African crisis response force so that Africans themselves can deal with African problems with the assistance of some of the countries in other parts of the world. So it is very hard for the U.S. to have a consistent policy. I am sure that somebody else in this audience is going to ask me why do we treat X-country this way and another country the other way -- pick your countries -- because the United States' policy is consistent in the following ways, which is that human rights are central to our foreign policy, support for democratic governments is central to our policy, moving into free market systems is central to our policy. Those are core principles. But each country is different. And we cannot treat each country exactly the same. They are at different stages in their development or they fall off the wagon. Nigeria is an example, frankly. Nigeria was a country with a democratic tradition that is not being run in any democratic shape or form now. We are hoping that Nigeria can return to a democratic tradition. When I was in Africa, I tried very hard to distinguish between what was going on in Uganda and what was going on in Angola. The President did the same thing. We have to treat the countries differently. So our consistency comes with our basic core principles, but we cannot have a cookie cutter approach to every country. Sorry, to take so long. Q: I'm a freshman international business major from Seattle, Washington. And I heard you refer the four different kinds of nations in the beginning of your lecture. And my question was the nations -- you know, the threes and fours, how do we help them to develop a profitable state in these multinational institutions so that they'll be dedicated to supporting them? ALBRIGHT: Well, I think that is a very good question. First of all, let's go from the base. The basket case states have a long way to go in terms of trying to develop a structure of any kind and understanding that they have to have a certain set of central institutions with local or federal ways of -- they have to create a structure for themselves, that you cannot have just one group versus another group, that there has to be some institutional structure. And then what is important -- and I think that is very hard -- is to get away from subsistence economies, where they somehow can plug into the global system without being victims of it. And I think that this is where there is a way for groups, be it the UN or the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank or a variety of international institutions that do not have a stake in any way exploiting countries but in order to help them to figure out a way to be part of the system and not victims of the system. But it's very -- to be frank with you -- very difficult for the countries that are down in that lowest level. The third group, the rogues, it is more difficult, because they need to understand that by being outside of the system, they are the losers. And for the most part, these are sanctioned systems. The way that we try to deal with the rogues is to impose economic sanctions on them so that they understand what they're losing and change their behavior in a way that would put them -- they are very capable of being part of the system. Take Iraq. Iraq is a country that is not poor; that has oil revenues; that can, could become a part of the international system if they abided by the rules that the system put down, which is to come clean on what they have in terms of weapons of mass destruction. Another system that is being sanctioned is Yugoslavia. They cannot be a part of the whole international system because they're not living up to their obligations under the Dayton Accords. They were a functioning economy that worked perfectly well that was a part of it, but they -- the way to get them to be a part of it is for them to understand what they are losing by not being able to share in the global economy. Q: Madame Secretary, you stated that human rights is one of our core principles dealing with foreign policy. Recently, with the Pope's visit to Cuba, President Clinton has, I guess, loosened the belt a bit on the sanctions that the United States has set on that country. When do you think it is that the United States will answer the call of the international community to completely lift what is going on, the barrier that we have with that country? ALBRIGHT: I think Cuba, on which I have spent quite a lot of time, is a very special problem for the United States -- because it is a government that is repressing its people; that is close to the United States; that has, at various stages, had hostile intent toward the United States -- that recently shot down unarmed American planes, civilian planes with Americans in them. These were Cuban-Americans. They were Americans. And that is definitely a hostile act. So, that is a serious problem for the United States government. We have, we and administration prior to us, have tried a dual-track policy vis-a-vis Cuba, which is to push as hard as we can on making sure that there can be some opening up of the system so that people can exercise their rights, and at the same time, kept an embargo, because we do not think that they, given the way Castro runs this country, that he should be a part of this international system that we were talking about. I told you before, I spent my life studying the Cold War. And I used to be a Soviet expert, which basically makes me an archaeologist now, but I tried to update myself. But there are certain aspect of what I studied that I think are applicable now. As communism ended in Central and Eastern Europe, there were a variety of factors. But I would be willing to say, that one of the most important things that gave it a push was a visit of the Pope to Poland. Now, Poland is a very special country where the church is identified with the nation, and the Pope is Polish. And Cuba and Poland are different. Excuse me. Cuba is in fact still run by its original revolutionary leader, whereas the countries in Central and Eastern Europe didn't have real revolutions. They were imposed on them. So there are lots of differences. But the people does work in mysterious ways. And he has just been in Cuba. And what is interesting, to take the Polish analogy, when the Pope went to Poland, the government did not want to talk, didn't want to handle the Pope's trip. And so they turned all the logistics of it over to the parishes. And in the course of that, the parishes discovered that they could organize a parade and could basically get their act together, that they knew how to handle logistics. And even more importantly, the people that came out into the square to see the Pope -- in a communist society, people are very isolated -- all of a sudden, they got in the square and they were able to see how many of each other there were. It's not an English sentence, but nevertheless it describes the feeling. What happened in Cuba was that in getting ready for the Pope's trip, Castro allowed something that the rest of the world has known for 2,000 years, which is that Christmas is a holiday. He also turned the planning of it over to the churches, and the people came out to the square and they saw how many of each other there were. And we were watching very carefully the reaction to the papal visit and were sorting -- (inaudible) ALBRIGHT: (Inaudible) -- dissidents that the Pope wanted released. He released a very small number. Many of them had to go into exile and so they were not able to exist in their society as dissidents, which is what we need to have a democratic system. But we felt that there was some opportunity to follow up on what the Pope had done. And so, as you pointed out, the President, under his authority, was able to take some humanitarian acts, and so he has allowed for more food and medicine to go to Cuba. He has said that there could be humanitarian flights -- humanitarian, not tourists -- humanitarian flights, and he said that remittances could be restored where Cuban-American families can send a certain amount of money to their relatives. They were sending money anyway; it was just illegal and the bureaucrats were skimming the money off, and this way they will be able to send money. And the reason that we did that was in order to allow the average Cubans more space, their ability to be able to respond, to be able to deal with, how to have more space between them and the government. We'll have to see. What is interesting is that Easter was celebrated. Now I'm waiting for another holiday -- Election Day. And I think what has to happen is that for Castro there are two embargoes that are really going there: There is the US Government embargo against the Cuban Government, and there is Castro's embargo against his own people. And our act of trying to break that second embargo because we are on the side of those in Cuba who want to live freely and not under Castro's regime. It's a very long answer. I know that people are wondering about it. It's where we are going, and we hope very much that there will be a way that Castro does respond and that the Pope's visit really can continue to have a historic effect somehow. Q: I'm a sophomore here at Howard. In light of the President's recent trip to Africa and his promises of economic partnerships, and also looking after the crash of financial markets in Asia, where do you see international economic policy heading in the future, especially with growing protectionist sentiments here at home in the US? ALBRIGHT: Among the various initiatives that the President presented were ways to try to have an African trade initiative towards Africa because we felt that it's very important to get Africa involved in the entire global economy. I think what we need to do is to understand what the problems in Asia were and that a lot of the financial collapse had to do with loans that were unsecured and some amount of corruption in some countries, subsidies systems, a whole host of methods that are not the kind that help a free market prosper. So I think we need to learn the lessons of what happened in Asia and make sure that there's not an Asian flu that kind that spreads to other parts of the world. In the IMF, we do think that the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank have some good regimes for trying to sort out how not to get into that particular mess. But what I think is clear, and I hope that you all come away with this, is that the President's trip, the initiatives that he has put forward -- the trade initiatives, the reform of judicial systems or attempts to try to get democratic institutions put in -- are a new chapter in US-African relations, a way of not dealing with Africa as only a recipient of assistance but as a partner in an international global system and a partner in a system where everybody is in that first group. This is the part the President talked about a lot at this regional meeting that they had in Entebee, Uganda -- was that it requires actions by the national leaders in Africa. What we have found over and over again, the United States can give advice and international bodies can give advice and there can be a lot of technical expertise, but until the leaders themselves make some hard decisions and share power and understand that the people are their friends and not somebody they need to separate themselves from -- and this is not just true in Africa. It's throughout the world. Our system is based on the trust of the government and its people, and that is what has to happen throughout the world. And I think that institutions are trying to allow that to happen and they have to sink some roots there. And that is the role that we like to have to be partners with African countries so that they can become a part of the system. I'd like to thank you all very much. I've enjoyed this a great deal. (end transcript)
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