22 September 1997
TRANSCRIPT: GORE, U.S. MEDIA PANEL AT GORE-CHERNOMYRDIN MEETING
(Discuss religious law, proliferation, Mir, START II) (3030) Moscow -- Vice President Al Gore discussed a variety of issues at a roundtable discussion with the Moscow bureau chiefs of several U.S. media operations September 22 during a break in meetings of the Gore-Chernomyrdin Commission. The vice president said that in one-on-one sessions with Russian Prime Minister Viktor Chernomyrdin, the proposed law on religion in Russia just passed by the Duma "was the first topic for discussion last night, and we have continued that. And I've tried very hard to explain exactly why we Americans feel so strongly about this." He said the latest version of the law, which was vetoed by President Boris Yeltsin in July, "falls far short, in our view, of the principles enunciated in the veto message." Gore said he and Chernomyrdin "agreed on a procedure for clarifying why the Russian experts and the U.S. experts interpret the amendments to the draft differently. And we will review the results of the experts' deliberations tomorrow and the next day, and in this way I hope to be able to make some progress in influencing the approach by the Russian government to this draft legislation." Among other issues Gore and Chernomyrdin have discussed so far, he said, were: security issues, including "an agreement on the plutonium production reactor that will halt the production of weapons-grade plutonium"; the possibility of Russian missile technology reaching Iran or any other rogue state; and the new Regional Investment Initiative in Samara; and START II. Following is the transcript of the roundtable: (Begin text) U.S. VICE PRESIDENT ALBERT GORE AND U.S. MEDIA MOSCOW BUREAU CHIEFS ROUNDTABLE "PINE TREES," MOSCOW, RUSSIA MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 22, 1997, 14:15 VICE PRESIDENT GORE: Vice President Gore: I'm sorry to be running a few minutes late, but thank you all very much for coming out to talk with Gore at Bor. And sorry -- UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: We tried to shield you from that phrase -- VICE PRESIDENT GORE: I know. UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: -- Mr. Vice President. VICE PRESIDENT GORE: I know. I figured I would leap first. I'll just say a few very brief words at the start and then open it up for your questions. This is the ninth round of the Commission meeting cycle, and we are off to a really good start. We began with a lengthy one-on-one of several hours last night. We had another one-on-one this morning and then began the first plenary session. We continued our one-on-one discussions over lunch. Some of the economic experts joined us for the first part of the lunch, and then we moved on to some other issues that required going back to the one-on-one format. We'll go back into the second plenary today after this session. I guess I'll forego giving you a rundown on what we expect the outcomes from each committee to be. I will say that I've spent a considerable amount of time on the new religion law. That was the first topic for discussion last night, and we have continued that. And I've tried very hard to explain exactly why we Americans feel so strongly about this. I will be meeting with representatives of the American religious groups here in Moscow tomorrow. I just spoke on the telephone with Senator (Robert) Bennett (R-Utah). I've been in touch with other senators and congressmen who are concerned about the pending law. And the Prime Minister and I agreed on a procedure for clarifying why the Russian experts and the U.S. experts interpret the amendments to the draft differently. And we will review the results of the experts' deliberations tomorrow and the next day, and in this way I hope to be able to make some progress in influencing the approach by the Russian government to this draft legislation. If they can simply use President Yeltsin's veto message from the first time around, we'll be in fine shape. But, as you know, the latest draft falls far short, in our view, of the principles enunciated in the veto message. We've also spent a good deal of time on security issues. We'll be turning to the space issues this afternoon. I have been in touch, of course, with Dan Goldin and Yuri Koptev, and we'll turn to those issues this afternoon and tomorrow. We're going to have an agreement on the plutonium production reactor that will halt the production of weapons-grade plutonium. I will have more to say about this agreement at our press conference tomorrow, and my colleagues will be in a position to provide a detailed briefing on its terms and implications shortly afterwards. But this core conversion project is a real breakthrough, and one that we worked on for a long, long time. It was actually in doubt up until just a few hours ago. We have spent a considerable amount of time talking about Iran. And of course, President Clinton and I view the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and their delivery systems as one of the most fundamental challenges that we face. I can tell you that there is no doubt whatsoever that Russia also takes this issue very seriously. And, as you know, the President and President Yeltsin discussed it in Helsinki. Prime Minister Chernomyrdin and I have been managing a process for trying to come to grips with our differences on this for some time now, and we asked Ambassador Frank Wisner to come as the U.S. side's representative in a detailed set of discussions with Yuri Koptev, who is representing the Russian side. And the two of them gave a report to Prime Minister Chernomyrdin and myself this morning. Actually, the Prime Minister was kind enough to arrange a helicopter for Frank to keep his original schedule because we both view this as absolutely critical. And we've agreed to continue to share information and work together closely to prevent the possibility of Russian missile technology reaching Iran or any other rogue state. And Wisner and Koptev will have yet another meeting within six weeks -- less than six weeks, actually. And we are working very hard on this. One other thing I did want to again say is that the Commission is in a new phase on this trip with the announcement of the Regional Investment Initiative and the visit to Samara. This is a systematic effort to promote engagement at the oblast level. We are very interested in it. It's a prototype and we hope to learn from this experience about how to deepen the engagement at the oblast level, also with the regions of the U.S. and regions of Russia. QUESTION (FROM CNN): Thank you, Mr. Vice President. I wanted to start with something that actually I guess you are going to be discussing this afternoon. And that's Mir. (Inaudible) -- speaking to the problems -- (inaudible) -- computer. I guess there are a couple of questions. Does this give ammunition to those who are very critical of the program and say the U.S. should pull out of it? And then also should the program continue? And we have the shuttle coming up this weekend -- (inaudible) -- VICE PRESIDENT GORE: Well, I'd like to differentiate between the Mir, on the one hand, and the overall U.S.-Russia cooperation in space, on the other hand. They are, of course, related but the larger cooperative program is different in important respects. But where the Mir itself is concerned, NASA is conducting a very intensive and detailed review of the problems with Mir and will make a careful evaluation of whether or not to proceed with the upcoming launch of the 7th Shuttle-Mir docking mission. I have great confidence in the thorough safety evaluation process at NASA. Safety is the overriding concern in that evaluation process. And any decision that will follow will be solely on the analysis of mission safety. To put this in perspective, this is a very old space station from which we have been learning a tremendous amount, as have the Russians. When you say "old" and apply the adjective to computers it has a special resonance because computer technology is changing so rapidly, and the generation of computer technology on board the Mir is such that they frequently have to replace circuit boards. And when they replace a circuit board, the computer is shut down, and yet the process for replacing the circuit board is relatively short. So you have a series of events where technically the computer is down, but it's primarily for the replacement of the circuit board and then it's back up again. If you look back over the last few weeks, you'll recall many incidents where the first report comes "The computer's down," and then an hour or so later, "The computer's back up." That's why. They're changing the circuit board. But that should not be cause for great comfort. It's just a means of putting it somewhat in perspective. They have a new computer planned for installation, and the mission is on track to put it up there. But this whole question is one that the NASA experts are going to analyze very, very carefully, as I said before. And certainly I don't want to prejudge the outcome of that analysis, but I will repeat, the outcome will based solely on safety considerations. QUESTION: Mr. Vice President, what did Frank Wisner and Yuri Koptev tell you about the possibility that non-state proliferation, non-state entities are proliferating these missile components and weapons of mass destruction? Have they really done a thorough check? Do they really have any evidence that non-state -- VICE PRESIDENT GORE: I think that for a variety of reasons it's going to be better for me to let Prime Minister Chernomyrdin address that particular question, as I'm sure it will come up at the press conference tomorrow. I'll respond, though, today by saying there's no question whatsoever that the Wisner-Koptev investigation has been extremely thorough. It has been conducted in what appears to be total good faith. New information has been brought to light. There is a common view by the United States and Russia about the inadvisability of ballistic missile technology or technology for weapons of mass destruction going to Iran. And yet the process is one that is continuing, because they've developed an agenda for further fact finding. And the process is a good one, and I will let the Prime Minister speak to the issue that you raise, because I really think it's appropriate for him to say that first. And I hope you'll let me do that. QUESTION: I'd like to ask you for some elaboration on the religious issue. You said -- (off mike) -- process has been established for American and Russian specialists to discuss the law. VICE PRESIDENT GORE: Yeah. QUESTION: (Off mike) -- communications, but in your discussions with Prime Minister Chernomyrdin, did you get any indication that the Yeltsin government might veto its own bill, perhaps veto it for a second time, or seek further amendments or changes in this legislation as a result of this process? VICE PRESIDENT GORE: First, I don't want to equate the word "process" as I've used it in one context with the way I've used in the second context, because, when I refer to the process on dealing with these concerns about the religious law, I'm really talking about a process over the next three days. I mean, we're trying to come to grips with differences of opinion on the significance of legal language, and I am optimistic we will at least have a common base from which to debate the prospects. At no time did I hear anything which would make me feel comfortable in saying to you that there is a possibility he'll veto. I did not hear that. But I did hear statements that convinced me that he does have -- he being Chernomyrdin -- that he does have an open mind about the source of concerns that I expressed. And that the process is not a closed one, and there is still an opportunity for changes and amendments to be considered. The Federation Council as you know takes it up, when? at the end of this week, this is my information. It's hard to get a fix on it, but we are operating from the assumption that they are going to take it up in the next several days. And then, of course, at the end of the Federation Council's decisions, then it can go several different ways. And I think that there are openings in the process for consideration of changes. QUESTION: Wall Street Journal. (Off mike.) VICE PRESIDENT GORE: We had a pretty intensive discussion of that this morning in the plenary session and I expressed deep concern about the recent withdrawal by Russia of the Exxon bid and reports about Yukos's problematic relationship with Amoco. I think your paper had an article on each of those incidents. I've heard from the American business executives involved in those issues. I believe that the Prime Minister clearly heard our view. And the two co-chairs of the Business Development Committee with their colleagues were assigned to work intensively on this. There was an agreement they would report back to us within two months. The Prime Minister also pointed out that the PSA legislation is still under debate. There's still an opportunity to make changes in the approach. I'm determined to do all I can to work with the Russians to make the American investments in these projects possible and profitable. It's good for Russia, good for the United States, good for stability. Both of those issues are very, very complicated, as you know, but I think we made a little progress on those today. QUESTION: There's a number of issues where the differences between Russia and the United States involve what parliament is doing, whether it's the religion bill, whether it's the START II talks, tax reform, issues like this. Have you had any discussions about how some of these differences might be bridged and what the government might be able to do in terms of working with parliament? VICE PRESIDENT GORE: Yes, we have, and, well, where START II is concerned, for example, I think the government here is optimistic that the Duma will ratify START II. And we had some extensive exchanges about details related to START II that need to be mastered in order to enhance their ability to persuade the Duma to ratify the treaty. As soon as they do ratify it, we can immediately open negotiations on START III, but we cannot do that until ratification. I would say, overall, I came away with much more optimism about START II ratification, but we've got a lot of work to do, and that's in process now. Now, the general part of your question is, yes, we frequently talk about the Duma -- and the Congress, for that matter. But he's got it tougher than President Clinton and I do, for sure. And that's saying something. QUESTION: I'd like to ask about this problem with the Peace Corps volunteers. Did you discuss that? VICE PRESIDENT GORE: We did. QUESTION: And what was the outcome? VICE PRESIDENT GORE: He said it would be solved. He said that the basic problem was, originally, they had a governmental sponsor, and their system, when you have a bureaucracy or an organization that serves as the sponsor, they're the ones that sort of walk you through the process. And in the course of the changes in the last six years, that particular organization disappeared from the chart, and so the Peace Corps doesn't have a formal sponsor now. And he said that he would take care of that. We're going to stay on it because it's not the first time we've dealt with it. And it's frustrating, especially to the volunteers, and we are going to follow up on a regular basis on that. And I am very optimistic that it'll be solved. QUESTION: I have a question about the commercial air travel agreement between Russia and the United States. United Airlines filed a complaint last week, alleging protectionism and an unfair balance of access to the two countries. Will that come up in your discussions with Chernomyrdin, and what is your assessment of the current agreement? Do you think it's even-handed? VICE PRESIDENT GORE: Let us follow up with you on that. Jenny, if you will ask Secretary Daley to follow up with Carol Williams of the LA Times. QUESTION: It's not on your agenda? VICE PRESIDENT GORE: Well, it may be on a committee that hadn't reported yet. Personally, I have not dealt with it in the meetings thus far, but we have another two days of meetings. And so if you'll allow me to do so, I'd like to get you more accurate information and follow-up. QUESTION: Reuters. Russians proposed yesterday joint U.S.-Russian monitoring of (inaudible)... nuclear reactor. (Inaudible). VICE PRESIDENT GORE: We had extensive discussions of the reactor site and joint monitoring is the least of our concerns. It is a discussion that has slowly made progress. And it is of course related to the topic I mentioned earlier, that we've asked Frank Wisner and (inaudible) to help us with. And I will say that the common view between Russia and the United States on ballistic missiles also applies to nuclear technology. We share the view that certain developments could be destabilizing in the Middle East and destabilizing in the broader context. Of course, Russia has a slightly different perspective, but I think the differences have narrowed considerably -- and I obviously have to choose my words carefully because the discussion is still under way and it is an extremely sensitive discussion on the Russian side. But we are making some progress there. And the afternoon plenary was supposed to start ten minutes ago, and I hope that you will come to the press conference tomorrow. Thank you all very much. (End transcript)
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