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24 March 2003

Powell Says Coalition Forces Have Made "Remarkable" Progress in Iraq

(Interview with Britain's Sky News March 24) (2390)
Secretary of State Colin Powell says the progress of coalition forces
in the invasion of Iraq has been "remarkable" since hostilities got
under way March 19.
"[T]here have been some losses and there have been some very, very
tough, pitched battles, but we're not facing any organized resistance
across a whole front in conventional terms and the mobility of our
forces and the air power we have available to us have permitted us to
move so quickly. So when you think of how far we have come in five
days, it is rather remarkable," Powell said in an interview with
Britain's Sky News March 24.
Powell said the coalition troops are under the leadership of "very,
very skilled commanders" from the United States, the United Kingdom,
Australia and other nations.
The secretary said the failure to get a second U.N. resolution before
the invasion of Iraq was a "disappointment" but he said the coalition
forces had all the authority they needed to invade Iraq from Security
Council resolution 1441, which was passed in November 2002.
"We had all the authority we thought we needed in 1441, as soon as
Saddam Hussein failed to comply, put out false declarations and did
not take that last opportunity he had, that last chance he had, to
make a strategic choice to disarm. At that point, we believe we had
all the authority we need," Powell said.
Commenting on reports about Russian military equipment being provided
to Iraqi forces, Powell said the equipment comes from private Russian
companies. He said the United States has conveyed its concerns to the
Russian government.
"[W]e have conveyed to the Russians today, and I just got off the
phone with my colleague Foreign Minister Ivanov recently, in the last
hour or so. We have conveyed to them how serious we view this because
it isn't just a matter of export controls, it's a matter of putting
our youngsters' lives at risk by enhancing Iraqi military capability,"
Powell said.
Commenting about U.S. troops being captured by Iraqi forces, Powell
warned Iraq about treating prisoners of war according to international
standards laid out in the Geneva Convention.
"You don't show dead bodies in a way that they can be identified by
their parents. You don't interrogate them on camera for the purpose of
broadcasting it around the world. There are certain rules that the
Iraqis are violating and they are in violation of the Geneva
Convention by doing so," Powell said.
Powell concluded the interview saying that the war against Iraq will
end successfully in the near future and Iraq will soon be a free
nation with a responsible government.
Following is the transcript of Powell's interview with Sky News:
(begin transcript)
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
Office of the Spokesman  
March 24, 2003 
Interview
Secretary of State Colin L. Powell On Sky News with Keith Graves
March 24, 2003
 (4:00 p.m. EST)
MR. GRAVES: Mr. Secretary, you've got a unique view of this conflict
because you were the man leading the diplomatic attempts to solve it.
That failed. Now, you look at it, it's gone to war. You were America's
senior military man during the last Gulf conflict, successful one.
Give me your take as Colin Powell with that unique view on how it's
going.
SECRETARY POWELL: I think it's going very well, when you consider that
in just five days we have penetrated hundreds of miles inside Baghdad.
Yes, there have been some losses and there have been some very, very
tough, pitched battles, but we're not facing any organized resistance
across a whole front in conventional terms and the mobility of our
forces and the air power we have available to us have permitted us to
move so quickly. So when you think of how far we have come in five
days, it is rather remarkable.
There is always that initial letdown in this kind of an operation when
everybody sees what looks like a video war, and then suddenly you
realize it's a real war with real people being captured and being
killed and being wounded, then there is a little bit of anxiety that
creeps in. The same thing happened during the Gulf War. For the first
week, everybody thought things were going well, but then at the
beginning of the second week there was this letdown and we had to come
out and remind them that we're in a war, it takes time, keep patient
and have confidence in the men and women who were fighting it. And
they are very, very skilled commanders, both the United States side,
the United Kingdom side, the Australian side and a number of other
nations that are part of this coalition on the battlefield.
MR. GRAVES: Do you wish, when you look back now -- you've just fought
an unsuccessful diplomatic battle. Do you wish, when you look back,
that you, as a military commander at the time, and it was said that
you didn't want to pursue the war once you got the Iraqis out of
Kuwait, do you wish you had gone and finished Saddam off then?
SECRETARY POWELL: No, because people like to make that point, but the
point is that the decision not to go to Baghdad, the decision not to
remove the regime at the time of the Gulf War, was not made at the end
of the war. It was made before the war. It was a political decision
made by President Bush, the United Nations and all the other coalition
partners that the mission would be to eject the Iraqi army out of
Kuwait, not go to Baghdad. So there has always been a debate as to
whether in that last day or two of the war we might have continued the
war for a day or two longer in order to inflict more damage on the
Iraqi army, and one can debate that, but there was never a discussion
at the end of the war about continuing on to Baghdad. That was never
part of the mission and that's the way that was.
Now, you also said diplomatic failure, but, in fact, what we achieved
was UN Resolution 1441, which I believe was a great diplomatic success
and is, frankly, the authority under which we are conducting this
operation, Iraqi Freedom, with the undergirding Resolutions 678 and
687. We failed to get the second resolution, which the United States
never thought we needed, but some of our coalition partners thought
that it would be helpful to have a second resolution. We had all the
authority we thought we needed in 1441, as soon as Saddam Hussein
failed to comply, put out false declarations and did not take that
last opportunity he had, that last chance he had, to make a strategic
choice to disarm. At that point, we believe we had all the authority
we need. So I consider it -- and this is a little self-serving, I
guess -- I consider it a diplomatic success to have gotten 1441 and a
disappointment that we didn't get the second resolution.
Remember, the second resolution would also have taken us to war. It
wasn't leading to a peaceful solution.
MR. GRAVES: You said you went for that second resolution because some
of your partners wanted it. I guess you're thinking particularly of
Tony Blair there. Do you wish you hadn't -- I mean, it is said in
Britain that you delayed everything to try and help him out. You
wouldn't have gone for it without him. Is that true?
SECRETARY POWELL: No, let me put it in context. The military buildup
was taking place and the timing of the second resolution was not in
any way affecting what we might be doing with the military buildup or
our ability to get ready.
A second resolution was obviously helpful to the United Kingdom, but
it also would have been helpful to a number of the other nations of
Europe that were supporting us, Italy, Spain. Frankly, it would have
been helpful in the United States as well. But that second resolution
was not something that would have avoided conflict. It would have
given more authority to the conflict, more than even 1441, in the
sense that it might have drawn more people into the coalition. But the
second resolution was a resolution that said Saddam Hussein has lost
his last chance, so we were heading to conflict one way or the other.
And that conflict was brought about by Saddam Hussein's failure to
comply with 1441, which was passed by a 15-0 vote in the Security
Council.
MR. GRAVES: Can we deal with some of the sort of issues of today? It's
being said that you have, the Americans, have got evidence or reason
to believe that Saddam Hussein may have plans or may have planned to
use chemical weapons against his own people, the Shias in the south of
the country, and then blame the coalition forces. Is there any truth
to that?
SECRETARY POWELL: We have reports that there is such thinking within
the Iraqi regime and so we are on guard against that and we will
continue to gather evidence. And we wouldn't put it past them. They
have done this in the past. They have attacked the Iranians with
chemical weapons and they've attacked their own people in the past.
And if I thought -- and there can be no question in anyone's mind,
certainly not in my mind -- that if they thought that there was a way
to fundamentally shift international opinion with respect to this
conflict by blaming us for that, I'm sure they would do it.
MR. GRAVES: But are you just speculating, or do you think  -- 
SECRETARY POWELL: I'm speculating  -- 
MR. GRAVES: You haven't got evidence?
SECRETARY POWELL: We have reports and there is some evidence for those
reports, but that's about as far, I think, as the intelligence will
take it right now.
Keep in mind, however, I don't think it would work. Everybody knows
coalition forces would never be using any such weapons, so if such
weapons were used, it would be an admission on the part of Saddam
Hussein that he had been lying all along, an admission we don't need
because we know he's been lying all along.
MR. GRAVES: I know you're concerned at reports because you've made a
formal protest to Moscow that the Russians, not necessarily the
government, have actually been supplying and may still be supplying
military equipment to the Iraqis even as this war is progressing that
is being used against coalition forces. Do you think the Russian
Government is involved in that themselves?
SECRETARY POWELL: These are private companies and we have given a
considerable amount of information to the Russians, and I hope to
convey some fresh information to the Russians that they might find
useful in making our case to them and their case to this company, and
go after a particular company, but there are other companies as well.
And so we have conveyed to the Russians today, and I just got off the
phone with my colleague Foreign Minister Ivanov recently, in the last
hour or so. We have conveyed to them how serious we view this because
it isn't just a matter of export controls, it's a matter of putting
our youngsters' lives at risk by enhancing Iraqi military capability.
MR. GRAVES: But you know that is happening? You know that equipment is
there?
SECRETARY POWELL: Yes.
MR. GRAVES: With Russian technicians?
SECRETARY POWELL: I know the equipment is there.
MR. GRAVES: But you don't know whether the Russians are, or you're not
saying?
SECRETARY POWELL: I know the equipment is there.
MR. GRAVES: Right. Can we talk about prisoners of war. Everybody who
saw that video -- you've seen the video yourself?
SECRETARY POWELL: Yes.
MR. GRAVES: It was pretty appalling, but you've issued all sorts of
warnings to the Russians (sic). It's almost inevitable that there are
going to be more prisoners of war, I guess, if this continues for
long, and the President is indicating it's not going to be quick. But
there's no much you can do to help those people, is there?
SECRETARY POWELL: Of course not, because those youngsters are
prisoners of war. But the civilized world dealt with this issue over
the years by saying that you accord prisoners of war certain treatment
that respects their dignity, that does not parade them out. You don't
show dead bodies in a way that they can be identified by their
parents. You don't interrogate them on camera for the purpose of
broadcasting it around the world. There are certain rules that the
Iraqis are violating and they are in violation of the Geneva
Convention by doing so.
MR. GRAVES: And I'd just ask you finally, when you saw that video, as
a soldier who was in Vietnam -- I mean, you're used to seeing the
brutality of war -- what was your feeling, personally?
SECRETARY POWELL: I was deeply troubled and disturbed, first that we
had lost the lives of these youngsters, but more importantly, that
they would be used in this way. They fought for their nation. We are
against a vicious enemy, an enemy that would violate all international
conventions. But why should we be surprised? Iraq has been violating
many international conventions for many, many years. It is Iraq's
flagrant disregard for international law and order that has brought
this war upon us.
And when this war is finished, and it will be successfully finished in
the not too distant future, in my judgment, then this regime will be
gone, Iraq will be a free nation, and its people can build a better
nation for themselves with a responsible government, a government that
will ensure Iraq takes advantage of its oil for the benefit of its
people and lives in peace with its neighbors, and we'll have a far
better situation in the Gulf region.
MR. GRAVES: Mr. Secretary, thank you, in the midst of what must be a
very busy schedule at the moment, for taking time out to talk to Sky
News. Thank you.
SECRETARY POWELL: My pleasure.  Thank you.
(end transcript)
(Distributed by the Office of International Information Programs, U.S.
Department of State. Web site: http://usinfo.state.gov)



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