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Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD)

24 March 2003

Bush Phones Putin on Russian Hardware Sales to Iraq

(Excerpts from March 24 White House press briefing) (2160)
President Bush phoned Russian President Vladimir Putin to express U.S.
concerns "involving prohibited hardware that has been transferred from
Russian companies to Iraq," White House Press Spokesman Ari Fleischer
told journalists during the March 24 White House press briefing.
"We are very concerned that there are reports of ongoing cooperation
and support to Iraqi military forces being provided by a Russian
company that produces GPS [global positioning system] jamming
equipment," Fleischer said in response to a journalist's question.
"There are other causes of concern, as well, involving night-vision
goggles and anti-tank guided missiles."
He said Putin assured Bush that he would look into these matters "and
President Bush said he looked forward to hearing the results."
Fleischer said the two presidents also discussed the situation in Iraq
and cooperation on humanitarian issues. "They both reiterated their
strong support for the U.S.-Russia partnership, and agreed to
continue, despite the differences that the two have over Iraq," he
said.
Following is an excerpt from the White House briefing:
(begin excerpt)
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
March 24, 2003
PRESS BRIEFING BY ARI FLEISCHER
INDEX
-- Putin phone call, hardware to Iraq
James S. Brady Press Briefing Room
1:00 P.M. EST
MR. FLEISCHER: [...] The President also spoke with President Putin to
discuss the situation involving Iraq. They discussed cooperation on
humanitarian issues. They both reiterated their strong support for the
U.S.-Russia partnership, and agreed to continue, despite the
differences that the two have over Iraq. And the two also discussed
the United States' concerns, which President Bush discussed, involving
prohibited hardware that has been transferred from Russian companies
to Iraq. [...]
QUESTION: Did the President tell President Putin that he was just
concerned, or angry about turning over hardware that's being used
against U.S. troops? And how recently was this hardware turned over,
before or after the war broke out?
MR. FLEISCHER: Well, we are very concerned that there are reports of
ongoing cooperation and support to Iraqi military forces being
provided by a Russian company that produces GPS [global positioning
system]-jamming equipment. This is what was discussed in the phone
call. There are other causes of concern, as well, involving
night-vision goggles and anti-tank guided missiles. So we do have
concerns that some aspects of this may be ongoing. Those concerns were
raised in the phone call today. President Putin assured President Bush
that he would look into it, and President Bush said he looked forward
to hearing the results.
Q: Just to be clear, by saying ongoing -- there are reports, U.S.
intelligence reports, or media reports, that the jamming equipment has
been delivered since the war began?
MR. FLEISCHER: I assure you the President does not make comments to
foreign leaders based only on media reports. We have concerns; those
concerns have been expressed at the highest levels, and these are
concerns that have been expressed repeatedly over the last quite some
little while. This is not the first instance in which these concerns
have been raised with officials. Senior U.S. government officials have
repeatedly raised this issue with their Russian counterparts over the
past year, in the hopes that the Russian government will move
aggressively to cut the cooperation from this company, or the
companies involved.
Q: That's my point, this is not the first time the United States has
raised this concern --
MR. FLEISCHER:  Correct.
Q: -- aren't we looking for more than just that we're concerned here?
MR. FLEISCHER: Well, again, I'm not going to give you the verbatims on
a presidential phone call, but I've expressed to you the concerns that
we have in the United States about this. And as I said this morning,
we find these actions to be disturbing.
Q:  Have they been going on since the war began?
MR. FLEISCHER: I said these concerns have been raised going back now
almost a year.
[...]
Q: The Russian Foreign Minister, Mr. Ivanov, has just said Russia has
observed all U.N. sanctions, not supplied military equipment to Iraq.
He said the U.S. has had several inquiries. He said, our experts have
checked these inquiries meticulously, including a recent one, and did
not find any proof. He's lying?
MR. FLEISCHER: Well, those statements were made prior to the
statements that were made this morning by the White House. And I'm
certain now with the phone call that was made to the President, Russia
will take a look at what their Russian companies are doing. That's
exactly what the Foreign Minister's boss told the President of the
United States he would do.
Q: Does the President consider that anyone who is arming our enemy is
our enemy?
MR. FLEISCHER: I expressed to you that the relations between the
United States and Russia are important relations that the two
Presidents are dedicated to keeping. There are problems. This clearly
is a problem that needs to be resolved. And this is why it came up in
the phone call. This is why it's disturbing. And this is why the two
have talked about it, for the purpose of resolving it.
[...]
Q: Ari, two questions: First, on the issue of the conversation with
President Putin about the Russian technology. Is it the United States
government's concern solely that Russia or a Russian company
transferred to Iraq this GPS-jamming equipment? Or did the President
discuss concerns that perhaps there are Russian advisors inside Iraq
now helping the Iraqis use this equipment?
MR. FLEISCHER: No, the issue that was raised in the phone call was the
transfer from Russian companies to Iraqi authorities of this
technology.
[...]
Q: Ari, another question on the Russian equipment. Do you have any
evidence that the GPS-jamming devices or the night-vision goggles or
anything else is being used right now by Iraqi forces against American
troops?
MR. FLEISCHER: We have credible evidence that Russian companies
provided the assistance and the prohibited hardware to the Iraqi
regime. That's why we have found these actions to be disturbing.
Beyond that -- I'm not prepared to say with any level of specificity
beyond that. But we have concerns they were provided. They were not
provided for the purpose of sitting on shelves.
Q: So you don't know for sure that they're being used right now, but
you are concerned that they might be?
MR. FLEISCHER:  Again, I think I've expressed it.
[...]
Q: If I could ask one other thing about the Russian thing. Do you have
any indication that the materials we're talking about -- the GPS
jammers and so forth -- were sent into Iraq on humanitarian aid
flights?
MR. FLEISCHER:  I don't have that level of information.
[...]
Q: Back on the Russian equipment. First of all, in your answer to
Terry's question, did you mean to imply that President Putin retracted
the denials that Foreign Secretary Ivanov had made earlier?
MR. FLEISCHER:  No, I just said that he would look into it.
Q:  Did he repeat those denials?
MR. FLEISCHER: I'm going to leave all details of the conversation
beyond this between the two Presidents. But he said he would look into
it.
Q: Do you know for certain that Ivanov spoke before you spoke this
morning on this issue?
MR. FLEISCHER: I do. I saw it on the wire before I spoke this morning.
In fact, the wire said, speaking before the White House spokesman
spoke, the Russian Foreign Minister spoke. (Laughter.)
Q: Second question. Your answer -- you said that you couldn't go
beyond that -- is that because you don't know if this equipment has
been brought to bear yet, or you know and you won't say?
MR. FLEISCHER:  I'm just going to leave it where I left it.
Q: Ari, you said that this concern about this Russian equipment goes
back at least a year. Has the President ever had a personal
conversation about it with President Putin before? And is this
equipment that would be banned under the terms of the surrender back
in 1991?
MR. FLEISCHER: I couldn't tell you about under the surrender. But, of
course, under the surrender does apply to the United Nations
sanctions, and this type of material is prohibited to be transferred
to Iraq. Iraq is not allowed to purchase this type of material under
United Nations resolutions.
Q: How about the conversation? Has the President ever had a personal
conversation with President Putin about this before?
MR. FLEISCHER: These issues have been raised repeatedly at various
levels of the government, and now they have reached the highest levels
today.
Q:  So they haven't had a conversation about it before this?
MR. FLEISCHER: Not to my knowledge. It has been raised repeatedly at
other levels of the government.
Q: Following up, the Director General of the Russian company that
produces the GPS-jamming devices suggests that any transfer that may
have taken place would have come from potentially a third party,
another country. Have you written that off?
And, as a follow-up, he also suggested that the Iraqis at this point
may very well be able to produce this technology themselves, just
through an old-fashioned knock-off program, technology knock-off
program. Can you also address that?
MR. FLEISCHER: The issue is just as I described it. The President
raised with President Putin our ongoing concerns about support would
be provided for Iraqi military forces by Russian companies that
produced the equipment.
Q: In a related follow-up, several sources have suggested that there
was an uptick in activity by third party -- third parties, other
nations that may be sympathetic to the Iraqis. Are we confident that
there hasn't been other kinds of technology or weaponry that were
transferred to the Iraqis in the closing days before the attack?
MR. FLEISCHER: I think it's fair to say that one of the issues the
President has repeatedly talked about was, as he put it in the year
2000, that the sanctions which prohibited the Iraqis from receiving
weapons like this were made of Swiss cheese. There were so many holes
in the sanctions that Iraq was able to get ahold of equipment of a
variety of natures that it was prohibited from having. Iraq also had
oil wealth. It was diverting the oil-for-food program in an effort to
acquire more information or more material that they were prohibited
from having.
And this is one of the reasons that the President, when he reached the
decision to authorize force, had watched the diplomacy fail, the
sanctions fail, the smart sanctions fail, the use of pinpoint military
operations fail. Iraq continued to defy the world, and it had help
from several quarters in doing so.
[...]
Q: Ari, just for clarity sake, you said the GPS jammers are part of
ongoing concerns. But does that mean that the night-vision goggles and
the anti-tank -- that that transfer has ceased?
[...]
MR. FLEISCHER: I do not have any type of breakdown specifically on
night vision versus GPS versus anti-tank guided missiles. We have
concerns about all of them.
[...]
Q: You said that Presidents Bush and Putin discussed cooperation on
humanitarian issues.
MR. FLEISCHER:  Correct.
Q: But the Russians say that Putin urged the President to avoid, "a
humanitarian catastrophe." Was this conversation perhaps a bit more
contentious than you've indicated?
MR. FLEISCHER: No, but I think it's fair to say that President Bush
and President Putin have a good personal relationship, and it's also
marked by being a good, frank relationship. The two of them are
comfortable saying directly to each other what they think. That's the
mark of a strong relationship.
What I've noticed in diplomacy is oftentimes when people don't speak
directly to each other about what they think, it's the mark of
relations that are not as strong as they otherwise could be. So the
two leaders do speak directly to each other, they speak frankly to
each other. They hold each other in high personal regard.
Nevertheless, there are some differences in our views about situations
in Iraq. I've walked you through several of them today.
Q: So what's your frank appraisal of the Russians' concern about the
U.S. provoking a humanitarian catastrophe?
MR. FLEISCHER: Well, I think the differences there are well-known and
obvious. Russia did not think that military force should be used to
disarm Saddam Hussein. Russia did not see the threat of Saddam Hussein
the same way the United States, in the post 9/11 world, saw the threat
from Saddam Hussein. So that's not surprising. But what is important
is that, especially when it comes to humanitarian issues, that we are
able to work together. That remains important.
[...]
(end excerpt)
(Distributed by the Office of International Information Programs, U.S.
Department of State. Web site: http://usinfo.state.gov)



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