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07 February 2003

Armitage: Bush Has Shown Patience With Iraq

(Says choice of war is up to Saddam Hussein) (2290)
President George Bush "has shown patience" throughout the current
crisis with Iraq, said Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage.
However, he added that patience is running out, and "it is time for
Iraq and Saddam Hussein to make the choice to avoid war and it is his
choice."
Armitage spoke February 6 with Al Jazeera satellite news channel, and
said that the president's detractors were not giving him enough credit
for his patience thus far with Iraq.
"[P]eople said that George Bush would never go to the U.N. President
Bush did that. People said he wouldn't have the 'stick-to-itiveness'
to see the difficult discussions through to a resolution and he did.
People said he would never allow the inspectors time to do their work,
and he has. People said he would never allow Hans Blix to give a
report basically saying that Iraq was not cooperating without calling
military action forward. Mr. Bush has done that," said Armitage.
The urgency for action stems from the serious prospect of Iraq
obtaining the world's deadliest weapons, he said.
"We do feel that the nexus of a thirst for weapons of mass
destruction, the unaccounted for weapons that Dr. Blix indicates that
the Iraqis have, and the nexus with terrorism all make time of the
essence as far as we are concerned," said Armitage.
The deputy secretary reminded his audience that Iraq has "already been
indicted" for possessing such weapons, most recently in the form of
U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441. "If there is a credibility gap,
whether you look at the remarks of Dr. Blix or Dr. ElBaradei, the gap
is in Baghdad, not in the Security Council," he said.
The inspectors themselves, he said, "are not policemen" in the country
"to discover clues." "They were there to verify disarmament and the
only way they can verify disarmament is if the government of Saddam
Hussein makes a decision to be completely transparent and open. They
have not made that decision."
Following is a transcript of Deputy Secretary of State Armitage on Al
Jazeera:
(begin transcript)
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
Office of the Spokesman
February 6, 2003
INTERVIEW
Deputy Secretary of State Richard L. Armitage
On Al-Jazeera
February 6, 2003
Washington, D.C.
(12:30 p.m.)
QUESTION: So does Washington really want to reveal the truth or are
they looking for a justification or a pretext for its war on Iraq,
especially in view of the escalation to this war in the world.
We have Mr. Richard Armitage.
The evidence provided by Mr. Colin Powell, it seems that it was not
convincing except for those who were already convinced with
Washington, and did not gain new people with this line.
DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: I don't think I agree with you. If you are
referring simply to the comments at the Security Council, I believe
most of those comments were written before Secretary Powell made his
presentation. However, Secretary Powell met privately and individually
with each member of the elected ten of the Security Council and all
his Permanent Five Security Council colleagues, and we have a much
different count as to how the Security Council is coming out, much
more favorable to the point of view Secretary Powell is putting
forward.
QUESTION: So maybe this might be true but nobody declared anything in
front of the public opinion in the world, so we are committed with
what has been declared, even though these presentations were prepared
earlier, but did not say anything other than that.
DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: I think you should continue to follow
reports from the various capitals, the 15 capitals of the nations in
the Security Council, and I think you will see that public opinion in
those countries will have an affect on governments and is having an
affect on governments.
QUESTION: What do you think of Major Amir al-Sa'di, who said that
Colin Powell was selective in choosing the evidence from Blix and
ElBaradei reports and therefore he employed everything in those
reports.
DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: No, Secretary Powell was very deliberate
and said yesterday that we are not showing you the best evidence we
have and we necessarily keep it back. We were selective in that we
only showed the tip of the iceberg. Much of that information came from
members of the Security Council themselves, from their intelligence
services; so don't make the mistake to think that it was only U.S.
intelligence.
QUESTION: But precisely the intelligence information, it cannot be
verified in terms of credibility, and so fabrication is valid
ultimately, even -- only theoretically speaking.
DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: I am not going to speak theoretically. I
will speak practically. Here you have a leader, Saddam Hussein, and a
regime in Iraq who has already been found guilty yet again in
Resolution 1441 of violations of their agreements under successive
resolutions. If there is a credibility gap, whether you look at the
remarks of Dr. Blix or Dr. ElBaradei, the gap is in Baghdad, not in
the Security Council.
QUESTION: Some people say that even inside the institutions of the
Administration of the U.S. there is some difference -- disagreement in
security and intelligence who are not necessarily with or agree with
all the information that has been provided.
DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: I think a careful review of the tapes of
yesterday's presentation by Secretary Powell will show that the
Director of Central Intelligence, Mr. Tenet, was seated right behind
Secretary Powell. That was deliberate, and it indicates clearly to all
people of the Security Council that our intelligence agencies stand
firmly behind every bit of that information.
QUESTION: Mr. Armitage, allow me to consider some of the information
that was presented by Mr. Powell which seemed sort of ridiculous to
some people, when there is a tape recording of a telephone call
between two officers, Iraqi officers, who are talking openly about
prohibited weapons. How would they dare talk about such weapons
without code naming maybe and also when they referred to some
scientists signed an agreement that if they tell anything they would
be killed? I don't know such a paper should not be signed. What do you
think of these allegations?
DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: Well, first of all, if scientists signed
those papers and we have good information that they did, I think they
had very little choice. That is one of the problems -- the nature of
the regime of Baghdad gives people very little choice. On the question
of the telephone calls, we have those recordings and many, many more
and so do other intelligence agencies. I can't speak to the stupidity
of certain officers and their telephone calls, but those are
absolutely valid recordings.
QUESTION: Mr. Hans Blix today in an interview in Al-Hayat newspaper
from London, is blaming the U.S. because it was supposed from the
U.S., according to the Article 10 of Resolution 1441, that this
information should be given to the inspectors, not to be declared in
front of the world as has been done yesterday.
DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: I haven't seen the interview in Al-Hayat
that you refer to, but more generally Hans Blix up to this point I
think has expressed great satisfaction with the amount of intelligence
that has been given to him. You will note that we were talking in the
presentation of Secretary Powell of things that generally immediately
preceded the inspectors' arrival. We do have some concerns that the
inspectors have been spied upon, as Secretary Powell alluded to
yesterday, but I am unaware that Dr. Blix or Dr. ElBaradei are unhappy
with the amount of information which has been provided.
QUESTION: If we assume that the information that has been provided by
Mr. Powell yesterday was correct, if you provide this information to
the inspectors, couldn't that be a possible way to have -- prove
evidence to indict Iraq?
DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: Look, Iraq has already been indicted. If
you read carefully Resolution 1441, 15 members of the Security
Council, including Syria, have indicted and found guilty Iraq. The
inspectors themselves are not policemen. That is not their job. They
are not there to discover clues. They were there to verify disarmament
and the only way they can verify disarmament is if the government of
Saddam Hussein makes a decision to be completely transparent and open.
They have not made that decision.
Time is running out. Even Mr. Blix the other evening said that it is
five minutes to midnight and the time for diplomacy is running out.
QUESTION: Mr. Armitage, there is some information also provided by
other American officials, and Mr. Hans Blix in New York Times on the
13th of January, and he disclaimed the information and now Mr. Powell
is repeating that information though Blix is not agreeing or disagrees
with this information, like listening to the inspectors' calls,
moving, let's say, equipment and some kind of maneuvers and providing
some security personnel as scientists to the inspectors. How would you
justify that?
DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: Well, I would say that Dr. Blix, with whom
we have had many conversations, certainly did not yesterday evidence
any discomfort with what was said. I am unaware of anything, as I say,
in London in Al-Hayat, but we have had a very good and open
relationship with Dr. Blix, and I would be a little surprised if
things were exactly as you just characterized.
Dr. Blix has had previous experience in Iraq. He and Dr. ElBaradei
know very well the nature of the regime --
QUESTION: Your point is -- your point is, excuse me, sir -- there is
another session to be held on the 14th of February in the Security
Council. Can we consider this session as a countdown for war? How
would you take that?
DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: Right before the last presentation by Dr.
Blix many people in the Arab world and in the world at large were
saying that that report would be a countdown to war. There's no magic
clock. There's no magic countdown. There's no D-Day event. We will be
interested to hear what Dr. Blix and Dr. ElBaradei report to the
Council, and our President will make a decision after that on the way
forward.
QUESTION: If we assume that Blix and Baradei came back from Baghdad
with a new evaluation different than your perspective, would you
accept to review your position and policy towards Baghdad?
DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: I always have to see what Dr. Blix and Dr.
ElBaradei bring back, and we would await the results. I will assume
nothing in advance of their report.
QUESTION: But how can Washington convince the great majority of the
international public opinion that Washington wants to attack Iraq
whatever the results might be, whatever these resolutions are there
without maybe a UN authorization?
DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: I don't know that the United States is ever
able to convince the entire world of anything, but I notice that
people said that George Bush would never go to the U.N. President Bush
did that. People said he wouldn't have the "stick-to-itiveness" to see
the difficult discussions through to a resolution and he did. People
said he would never allow the inspectors time to do their work, and he
has. People said he would never allow Hans Blix to give a report
basically saying that Iraq was not cooperating without calling
military action forward. Mr. Bush has done that.
At every step of the way, Mr. Bush has shown patience, but as he has
indicated, the patience is running out, and it is time for Iraq and
Saddam Hussein to make the choice to avoid war and it is his choice.
QUESTION: But Mr. Armitage, who would decide that patience is running
out and there is no time? Is it Mr. Bush or the Security Council?
DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: We have said that we prefer to work through
the Security Council but our President won't wait indefinitely. We do
feel that the nexus of a thirst for weapons of mass destruction, the
unaccounted for weapons that Dr. Blix indicates that the Iraqis have,
and the nexus with terrorism all make time of the essence as far as we
are concerned.
I am sure that you would like me to give you an exact timetable, but
as our President has not made a decision on war, I can't give you that
timetable.
QUESTION: Do you need a new resolution from the Security Council?
Don't you think there is some signs, kind of a disagreement here? You
are keen on having UN resolutions, but in a way that is in violation
of international legitimacy?
DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE: That is a serious allegation that you make,
and I don't understand how it is possible. If you have a UN Security
Council resolution, by its very nature it will be legitimate
internationally. What we have said -- in direct answer to your
question -- is we do not need another resolution. It is desirable, but
the language of 1441 is very clear: If Iraq is found in material
breach, then there are serious consequences.
Further, there are resolutions -- 678, for instance -- dating from the
end of the Gulf War that make it very clear that already the Security
Council has language existing warning of the use of all necessary
means to compel Iraq to obey the provisions of that particular
resolution. So all the authority necessary to satisfy international
law already exists.
QUESTION:  Mr. Armitage, from Washington, thank you very much.
DEPUTY SECRETARY ARMITAGE:  Thank you very much.
(end transcript)
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