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Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD)

08 January 2003

Powell Focuses on Iraq's Duty to Disclose Its Weapons Programs

(Interviewed January 7 on public radio) (2920)
Secretary of State Colin Powell said January 7 that the international
community continues to want full cooperation and full disclosure from
the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein as the means of achieving peaceful
compliance with U.N. Security Council resolutions.
To that end, Powell said in an interview on Public Radio
International, the United States is supporting the U.N. inspectors in
every way that it can, supplying them with information and other
materials "that might be useful to their efforts." He added that the
United States is looking toward inspectors' reports to the Security
Council on January 9 and January 27 as indicators of the extent and
degree of Iraqi cooperation.
"I would be surprised if they would come up with a clean bill of
health after just two months," he said.
Powell also disagreed with the interviewer's characterization of the
current state of Afghanistan as "rampant lawlessness and ...
warlordism."
"We don't have rampant warlordism. Most of the country is reasonably
stable, by Afghanistan standards," Powell said, noting that while
problems exist in some parts of the country, a national police force,
army and judicial system are being created, whereas a year ago no such
institutions were in place.
Asked about U.S. policies on Middle East peace, international
assistance and global warming in light of remarks January 7 by British
Prime Minister Tony Blair, the secretary noted that President Bush's
Millennium Challenge Account will double existing U.S. foreign aid
levels to developing nations; and that U.S. attempts to resolve the
differences between Israelis and Palestinians have not been as quick
to produce results as this administration would have liked in the last
two years -- "in fact, years before that." As for global warming, he
noted that the United States and other countries have decided that the
Kyoto Protocol "was not the economically viable way to go," but are
looking for ways to accomplish the shared goal of reducing emissions
which contribute to warming.
Regarding North Korea, Powell said the trilateral statement by the
United States, Japan and South Korea called on North Korea to live up
to its international obligations. Also, he said, the resolution of the
International Atomic Energy Agency's 35-member Board of Governors, "to
include all of the permanent members of the Security Council and
nations as diverse as Cuba and Iran," shows that the international
community "all came together, calling on North Korea to meet its
obligations."
Finally, Powell addressed the phenomenon of anti-Americanism in
various parts of the world, specifically noting that a great deal of
it emanates from the Middle East, where it tends to focus on the
Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
"That is one of the costs of being the most powerful nation on the
earth," Powell said. "You not only get respect, but occasionally you
generate resentment because you can't solve everyone's problems all at
once."
Following is a transcript of Powell's remarks, which were released
January 8 by the State Department:
(begin transcript)
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
Office of the Spokesman
January 8, 2003
INTERVIEW
Secretary Of State Colin L. Powell
On Public Radio International's
"The World Radio Program"
January 7, 2003
Washington, D.C.
(1:30 p.m. EST)
QUESTION: What do you need to hear to satisfy you and the
administration that war with Iraq is not necessary?
SECRETARY POWELL: You know, the president is anxious to find a
peaceful solution to this problem. The international community is
looking for a peaceful solution. That's why the president took it to
the United Nations.
What we would like to hear, not just the U.S., but what the whole
international community would like to hear: that Saddam Hussein
"fesses up" [i.e., confesses], cooperates fully with Dr. Blix, the
head of the UNMOVIC [United Nations Monitoring, Verification and
Inspection Commission] inspection group, and Dr. ElBaradei, the head
of the International Atomic Energy Agency, and provides them full and
complete information on all the programs that Iraq has had over the
years and that Iraq continues to have. And if he would turn it all
over and not try to deceive, not try to hide, then we'd be on our way
to a peaceful solution.
And so we are supporting the inspectors in every way that we can,
providing them information, providing them other materials that might
be useful to their efforts, and hope that they continue to do the kind
of job they're doing now and intensify their work.
And we will wait and see what they report first on the 9th of January
later this week and then the formal report that they will provide on
the 27th of January, which is not a final report but it's a formal
presentation of their first two months' work.
QUESTION: So if they say they have found nothing, then does that mean
there will be a peaceful solution and no war?
SECRETARY POWELL: No, it depends on what they say they have found and
how much more work they have to do. They may have found nothing to
that point. The question is what else are they going to have to do to
ascertain whether Iraq does or does not have these weapons of mass
destruction, as we believe they do.
I would be surprised if they would come up with a clean bill of health
after just two months. They can certainly come up with a bad bill of
health after two months if there is no cooperation or if we see the
kind of action such as was evidenced when Saddam Hussein put forward
that flawed declaration a few weeks [ago] that the whole world saw was
flawed. That was certainly not an indication that he is cooperating
fully.
QUESTION: To that end, we've been hearing a lot of hints that the
United States has compelling evidence of illicit programs in Iraq. Has
the U.S. yet shared that intelligence with the inspection team?
SECRETARY POWELL: We have put out a number of papers, both classified
and unclassified, to a variety of audiences, and we've put out
unclassified information to the American people and the international
community, and we are providing information to UNMOVIC and to IAEA
that will help them do their work. So we are working closely with them
and sharing with them. We want them to be able to do their work and
we're trying to help them every way we can.
QUESTION: I want to talk a little bit about a post-Saddam Iraq. A lot
of people -- some people say that if the rampant lawlessness and the
warlordism of Afghanistan right now, at least outside of Kabul, the
capital, is any indication, then a post-Saddam Iraq is not a very
promising one despite U.S. assurances right now.
Can the U.S. ensure a different outcome for Iraq?
SECRETARY POWELL: Well, first of all, let me tell you your premise.
Afghanistan is not quite the way you describe it. While there is a
problem out in the countryside and we haven't totally solved the
problem, increasingly President Karzai is extending his control over
the country. We don't have rampant warlordism. Most of the country is
reasonably stable, by Afghanistan standards. We have a problem in some
parts of the country. A national army is being created, a national
police force is being created, the judicial system is being created.
And in just about one year, we have gone from nothing back then to a
government that is now starting to function.
So, the glass may not be full yet in Afghanistan, but it certainly
isn't empty, and I think we should be proud of our accomplishment.
In Iraq you have a different situation where you wouldn't be working
with a country that has absolutely nothing going for it at the
beginning, having been run by something like the Taliban, but you have
an educated population, there is a middle class in Iraq, and above
all, there is a source of income for the people in the country, a
source of income that comes from oil, oil money that would no longer
be wasted on weapons and threatening one's neighbors, but on improving
the country.
So I think the circumstances are quite different and the international
community would have a different time of it, and I suspect an easier
time of it, than we had in Afghanistan.
QUESTION: Tony Blair, the British Prime Minister, today gave another
supportive speech about the relationship between the U.S. and Britain.
Perhaps you heard some of that.
SECRETARY POWELL:  I did.
QUESTION: But he also urged the U.S. to adopt a broader agenda to
include the Middle East peace process, poverty in the Third World, and
global warming. Do you expect the United States eventually to give
greater priority to these issues as a kind of payback for Europe's
support for any kind of war against Iraq?
SECRETARY POWELL: We give greater priority, not as a payback but
because it's the right thing for the United States to do. When you say
we ought to do more on poverty, the United States contributes more
than any other nation on the face of the earth right now with respect
to aid programs assisting countries around the world.
President Bush put forward about a year ago the Millennium Challenge
Account, which will increase our aid funding to developing nations by
some 50 percent. We are the largest provider of food to the World Food
Program. We are feeding people all over the world. In fact, the need
is even greater than ever and we are encouraging our European friends
to give more than they're currently giving.
With respect to the Middle East peace process, we certainly are
engaged and wish we could find a solution more quickly than we have
been able to in the past two years and, in fact, years before that.
And we are working with the British and other friends to do more.
So I don't think the Prime Minister was suggesting that we are not
involved in these issues, but that we all have to do more, and I am in
constant touch with the British Foreign Secretary on that.
With respect to climate, there is a different view between those who
felt that the Kyoto Protocol was the way to go and the United States
position and the position of a number of countries that that was not
the economically viable way to go. And so those who believe in Kyoto
are ratifying and bringing themselves under that protocol and we are
looking for other ways to achieve this common purpose that all nations
have, and that's to reduce the emissions from our industrialized and
industrializing countries that create global warming.
QUESTION: Mr. Secretary, I'm assuming that you were involved in the
talks today among the U.S. and South Korea and Japan over what's
happening in North Korea. Is that the case?
SECRETARY POWELL: I've been following the talks closely. They are held
at Assistant Secretary level with the South Koreans and the Japanese,
but I have been intimately involved in what's been taking place.
QUESTION:  Could you tell us what's transpiring there, the latest?
SECRETARY POWELL: It was a good meeting and we're about to issue a
statement from the meeting. And all three delegations called upon
North Korea to eliminate its nuclear weapons programs, to reiterate --
we reiterated our intention, our mutual intention to pursue a peaceful
and diplomatic resolution of the problem, and making the point to
North Korea that its future relations with the whole international
community hinges on its taking prompt and verifiable action to
completely dismantle its nuclear weapons program and to come into full
compliance with its obligations.
The world is pretty united behind this. I mean, we've got the two
nations that I mentioned today, Japan and South Korea, here.
Yesterday, the Board of Governors of the International Atomic Energy
Agency, 35 nations, to include all of the permanent members of the
Security Council and nations as diverse as Cuba and Iran, all came
together, calling on North Korea to meet its obligations.
A lot of people say the United States should enter into a dialogue.
The president said yesterday and I've said repeatedly that we are
willing to talk. We are willing to enter into a dialogue. But we can't
enter into a dialogue where the North Koreans sit across the table
from us in complete violation of their obligations and say to us,
"What will you give us in order for us to stop misbehaving?"
We have to put the burden of this problem where it belongs, and that's
on North Korea. North Korea has deceived the world for years now as to
its nuclear intentions, and while we thought their nuclear development
capability was bottled up at this place called Yongbyon, they were
busy working at another place we haven't located yet to develop the
capability to enrich uranium.
So they were deceiving the world. And you can't reward that kind of
behavior. But at the same time, we recognize that North Korea is a
country in difficult economic straits and we want to help; but in
order for the international community to help, they have to foreswear
their efforts to develop a nuclear bomb.
QUESTION: But, presumably, North Korea would have to, in any accord,
allow inspectors back into the country. And given that Saddam Hussein
and Iraq has allowed inspectors back there and the U.S. is still
threatening war, might that, do you think, be a disincentive for Kim
Jong-il to allow them back into North Korea?
SECRETARY POWELL: I don't think so. He had inspectors there and he had
the inspectors looking at one place for eight years while he was doing
something somewhere else. And so inspectors have a role to play and
it's not inspectors being present in Iraq that is encouraging us to go
to war. We're not trying to go to war. We're trying to solve a
problem.
And if the United States was bent on going to war, we would not have
introduced the resolution in September at the United Nations calling
for the inspectors to go back in. That's what we did. We introduced
that resolution. The president made a powerful speech. We ultimately
got a 15-0 vote for that end. If we were looking for a war and we
didn't care what anyone else thought or what the inspectors might
find, we wouldn't have gone to that trouble. But we were trying to
avoid a war, find a peaceful solution, and rally the international
community to this problem in Iraq. And that's the same thing we're
doing with respect to North Korea.
In Iraq, the problem has been going on for 12 years with multiple
violations of U.N. resolutions. In the case of North Korea, everybody
thought that they were complying with their obligations. It's only
been roughly two-and-a-half months since we turned the tables on them
and said we know what you're doing; and expecting them to deny it, we
were quite taken aback when they said yes, we're doing it. And now the
international community is mobilizing to let them know that that kind
of behavior is unacceptable in this day and age, and we cannot walk
away from the obligation of the international community to prevent
such behavior.
QUESTION: I just have a final question for you. You had mentioned a
little bit earlier about the aid that the United States gives in terms
of foreign aid. I know that we're giving food aid, in fact, to North
Korea. If I'm not wrong, I believe we're the largest supplier of food
aid right now for North Korea.
We still, though, get lots of signals from around the world that there
is much visceral hatred of the U.S., and I'm sure you hear some of
that in all of your travels in many parts of the world. Do you feel as
though you understand where that hatred comes from, and is that a
foreign policy concern of yours?
SECRETARY POWELL: It is a concern. There are people who sometimes
don't understand our motives. There are people who want us to solve
very difficult problems that are not that easy to solve. A lot of the
invective that is directed towards us comes out of the Middle East and
the fact that the conflict between Israel and Palestinians continues,
Israelis and Palestinians continue, and we have not been able to find
a solution to that problem.
I also find, however, that people, at the same time, admire America
and respect America and know that we are a nation of great diversity.
And so while I'm troubled by the phenomena that you suggest, and it is
a foreign policy concern, we are working hard to improve our public
diplomacy efforts. And as we solve problems, as we get on top of
crises, I think we can turn that image around.
That is one of the costs of being the most powerful nation on the
earth. You not only get respect, but occasionally you generate
resentment because you can't solve everyone's problems all at once.
QUESTION:  Secretary Powell, good to speak with you.
SECRETARY POWELL:  Thank you very much.
(end transcript)
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