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23 May 2003

Powell: U.S.-French Ties Improve but Rift Is Remembered

(Paris  press conference May 22) (7000)
At a press conference in Paris May 22, Secretary of State Colin Powell
said that, in supporting the new UN Security Council resolution to end
sanctions on Iraq, France has taken "a step in the right direction of
moving forward together."
But he went on to say that the disagreement between the United States
and France over the war in Iraq cannot be totally forgotten. "That was
not a very pleasant time for any of us and we have to work our way
through that," he said.
Powell added, "I think that now that we are together in this
resolution, we can move forward together and work out any remaining
tensions or difficulties from the past disagreements."
He noted that "there has been a review of some of the activities that
take place between the United States and France on a bilateral basis,
some of our military activities, joint military activities are being
looked at in light of the changed circumstances."
About the future of U.S-European ties, Powell said there will continue
to be "a strong transatlantic community.... There will be
disagreements, there will be fights, but there will be more areas in
which we agree, more areas in which we can come together as a
transatlantic community to deal with some of the transatlantic and now
increasingly international problems we face."
He rejected the charge that the United States regards every effort
towards an independent Europe as against American interests. On the
contrary, Powell said, the United States has strongly supported the
European Security and Defense Policy (ESDP) and other European efforts
to develop its own political and military identity. "Where we get
uneasy is if it seems that this would do harm to the greatest
political and military alliance that the world has ever seen, which
has served us so well: that's NATO."
Regarding Iraq, Powell said the new UN Security Council resolution
lifting sanctions shows the Iraqi people "that the international
community is there for them, notwithstanding the disagreements that
have occurred in the past with respect to this conflict. We are now
united to move forward."
He said the U.S.-led coalition "will not leave [Iraq] until we have
accomplished the mission, which is to put in place a representative
form of government that respects the rights of all the people of
Iraq."
Concerning the Middle East, Powell said the United States is "fully
engaged in trying to move the Middle East peace process forward."
"We believe the road map is the way forward," he said. "We are
committed to taking advantage of this moment of opportunity with the
removal of one dictatorial regime, Saddam Hussein's regime, and with a
new leader of the Palestinian people in place, a Prime Minister who,
we believe, is a good interlocutor to have. President Bush is
determined to take advantage of this moment of opportunity."
Powell said North Korea's "possession of nuclear weapons, which they
say they have, is unacceptable to South Korea, to Japan, to China, to
Russia, to the United States, to the world."
He also said, however, "We want to help North Korea. ... It is a
country with a starving population, and plutonium cannot be eaten. It
is time for them to realize that they have to give up these programs
and some of the other things they are doing in order for their
neighbors to assist them through this terrible period that they are
going through."
Following is the State Department transcript of the press conference:
(begin transcript)
U.S. Department of State 
Office of the Spokesman 
(Paris, France)
May 23, 2003
PRESS CONFERENCE
SECRETARY OF STATE COLIN L. POWELL AT THE FRENCH AMERICAN PRESS CLUB
Hotel Clarion St. James et Albany
Paris, France
May 22, 2003
MODERATOR: Thanks all very much for coming. We want to in the name of
the French American Press Club, Christian Malar and I would like to
thank you all for coming and tell you what a great honor for us it is,
right after the first anniversary of the club, to have the Secretary
of State here along with Howard Leach, who is our honorary
co-chairman, the ambassador, the U.S. Ambassador here. Especially in
this room, which is where Lafayette, a great friend of the United
States, first met Marie Antoinette, hoping to get her to convince
Louis XVI to lend a little military support to this new country, the
United States of America. The Secretary has a few brief remarks and
after that we'll take some questions.
SECRETARY POWELL: Well, thank you very much Jim and Christian, for
giving me this opportunity to appear before the club and also to
congratulate the club on its first anniversary. I did not know the
historic significance of this room, but it is quite appropriate.
Lafayette goes back to my early days in the military and brings back
memories of the alliance that was formed so many, many years ago
between the United States and France, an alliance that has held steady
for all these many, many years, with its up and downs, with its little
disruptions and disagreements that come along from time to time,
befitting two democracies, that occasionally have different points of
view. But, what will never change is that there is this tie between
the United States and France, a tie that has been created by shared
values, created by working with each other in times of war and by
being part of a great alliance for 50 years, or so.
And so, it's a pleasure for me to be back in Paris at this time and to
participate in the G8 ministers meeting, which is the reason for my
visit. I look forward later this afternoon, and in the course of the
evening's conversation and tomorrow, to talk to my G8 colleagues about
matters of interest, regional issues, Iran and North Korea, where we
are with respect to Iraq, and also other transnational issues;
countering the flow of drugs from Central Asia and the range of issues
you would expect such a group to deal with.
I am also especially pleased to be here today, when, in a few moments
-- I hope -- the United Nations Security Council will act on a
resolution, and my staff is poised in the front with scorecards, to
let me know what the final vote was should it occur while I am up
here. But, I told them I already know what the final vote count will
be, even though I will not share it with you yet. But, I am quite
confident that the resolution will pass.
It is a resolution that will lift sanctions, after thirteen years, off
the backs of the Iraqi people. It is a resolution that will bring back
together the international community to help the liberated people of
Iraq build a better society, a better country, to repair the
infrastructure in the country that was devastated, not by the war, but
by thirty years of dictatorial rule. It will show to the Iraqi people
that the international community is there for them, notwithstanding
the disagreements that have occurred in the past with respect to this
conflict. We are now united to move forward. And, it is a resolution
that will quickly allow Iraq to have a stream of revenue available to
it. Initially, under the control of the provisional authority, as it
must be, but with total oversight of an international board and with
the participation of the World Bank and the IMF so everybody can see,
that the provisional authority will be using these funds solely to
benefit the Iraqi people and for no other purpose.
It was important to get the resolution lifted as fast as possible, in
order that oil could flow, not only to provide revenue for the Iraqi
people, but also so that the system would keep operating so that
gasoline and cooking gas and other consumer products would come out of
refineries as the oil was flowing.
The resolution will also show that there is a vital role to be played
by the United Nations. As President Bush and Prime Minister Blair said
a few weeks ago, it was important that we recognize a vital role for
the United Nations and I believe this resolution does that, by
designating the Special Representative of the Secretary General to
work in every way with the interim Iraqi administration, when it is
formed, to work with the coalition provisional authority, and to help
in the process of moving this through phases that will now be right in
front of us. First, the administration that we are responsible for,
the coalition, and then, setting up an interim Iraqi administration
and slowly give them authority as they demonstrate capability and
ultimately grow that into a government that will be a government of
the people of Iraq, as determined by the people of Iraq, and not
imposed upon them. A government that we are confident will live in
peace with its neighbors, not develop weapons of mass destruction, and
not use the wealth of the people of Iraq, in the form of its oil, to
do things which threaten regional stability.
It will take time to get there, but as President Bush has said, and
other coalition leaders have said, we are committed to the task. We
will stay there for as long as it is necessary and not one day longer,
but we will not leave until we have accomplished the mission, which is
to put in place a representative form of government that respects the
rights of all of the people of Iraq. We will work hard to be make sure
that all the residual features of that dictatorial regime have been
eliminated, so that there will be no continuing threat to the process
of reconstruction and to the process of raising up a new government.
So, this is a wonderful day for the people of Iraq, who have been
liberated, and now they see, I hope, with a very, very overwhelming
vote, the United Nations as a group, through the Security Council,
coming to assist them. And, I think they will see that more and more
nations, in the coalition of the willing, now with additional support
of a UN resolution, more and more nations who were not initially in
the coalition of the willing, as well as those who are, to come to
Iraq and help with stability and peacekeeping operations as well as
reconstruction activities. And so, let me close on that note and, I
think it is much more interesting if I were to take questions than to
sermonize and I open the floor to questions.
MODERATOR: One of the few prerogatives that occur to being co-chairman
is that you get to ask the first questions and Christian, do you want
to fire away?
QUESTION: Yes. Mr. Secretary, should the French give a "yes" vote,
which is likely to happen according to what we can hear, would you
consider it as a first step towards the beginning of Franco-U.S.
reconciliation after this big, huge bone of contention between the two
countries.
SECRETARY POWELL: Well, I am quite sure France will give a "yes" vote
as my colleague Dominique de Villepin said yesterday, and I think it
is a step in the right direction of moving forward together. When we
were all in Brussels, all the ministers were together in Brussels, a
few weeks back, I said this is the time for us to come back together,
not fight the battles of the past, come back together because we now
know what we are all doing together and there is no disagreement. We
have to come together to help the Iraqi people and everybody voting
for this resolution today will join in that effort, in that crusade
really, to help the Iraqi people. Not a crusade for conflict, but a
crusade for peace, a crusade to help people to a better life.
But does it mean that the disagreements of the past simply are totally
forgotten? No, that was not a very pleasant time for any of us and we
have to work our way through that. There are still some suggestions
that the coalition was operating without legitimacy. We were operating
with legitimacy, legitimacy provided by U.N. Resolutions 678, 687, and
1441. There is no question about that and we are not achieving new
legitimacy with this resolution that somehow provides a legitimacy
that didn't exist in the past.
And so, I think that now that we are together in this resolution, we
can move forward together and work out any remaining tensions or
difficulties from the past disagreements.
MODERATOR: A few weeks ago, Mr. Secretary, you said that France would
face "consequences" because of its actions before the war. Does it
still face consequences and also, is this a new form of American
foreign policy that countries that don't go along with the United
States are liable to be punished?
SECRETARY POWELL: Well, we haven't, I wouldn't say we have punished
France. There has been a review of some of the activities that take
place between the United States and France on a bilateral basis, some
of our military activities, joint military activities are being looked
at in light of the changed circumstances.
But, you know I have to remind people, when you say to the United
States, "Is this a new form of foreign policy that we are going to
start punishing people who disagree with us?" No, but you take note of
those who disagree with you, and you try to find out why and if it is
appropriate to draw some conclusions and consequences follow those
conclusions: that's the way it is.
I might, I just have to point out that it was the French government,
that when other European nations, the first group of seven and the
V-10, came to the side of the coalition of the willing, it was the
French government that took them to task for daring to speak their own
minds and not simply support the position that had been taken by the
French government and to imply that there might be consequences for
such a decision with respect to EU accession and other such matters. I
hope that we can get all of that in the past, work out any remaining
sharp edges, any remaining difficulties that are still there as a
result of this disagreement. We have been through these periods of
tension before in our relationship and I am confident we will get
through this one. But, we have to be sober-minded about it and we have
to, take a hard look at where we are and where we're going as we move
forward and I think today's actions, which are expected, action which
is expected momentarily in the Security Council, is a step forward.
QUESTION: Is the Middle East peace process stalled, and is that a
subject you will be dealing with in your meetings with the ministers
here.
SECRETARY POWELL: I am sure I'll have a chance to discuss it with my
colleagues; it's on everyone's mind. We are fully engaged in trying to
move the Middle East peace process forward. As has been reported, we
have had delegations from both the Palestinian side and the Israeli
side in Washington over the past 48 hours, trying to bridge some of
the differences that exist. President Bush, a couple of days ago,
spoke to both Prime Minister Sharon and Prime Minister Abbas. My trip
a week or so ago was also for that purpose, starting to narrow the
differences and get closer to a way forward.
We believe the road map is the way forward. It's the way to achieve
the vision that President Bush laid out in his 24 June speech of last
year and it is also consistent with the vision that came out of the
Arab-Beirut summit last year. So, it always tough going in the Middle
East account, as I call it, but we are committed to taking advantage
of this moment of opportunity with the removal of one dictatorial
regime, Saddam Hussein's regime, and with a new leader of the
Palestinian people in place, a Prime Minister who, we believe, is a
good interlocutor to have. President Bush is determined to take
advantage of this moment of opportunity and we are working very hard
on it right now.
QUESTION: Mr. Secretary (inaudible), how does the U.S. administration
intend to deal with the chaotic situation in Iraq, and with the
deadlock in the Middle East on the Middle East peace process and with
the terrorist attacks that are hitting everywhere in the world.
SECRETARY POWELL: Well, with respect to Iraq, we are hard at work
trying to restore stability in the country and to impose order and
security throughout the country. In the aftermath of the conflict, the
system collapsed. The military system totally collapsed, the police
system collapsed, and we discovered that there was much more damage to
the infrastructure from the years of neglect on the part of Saddam
Hussein that had to be dealt with. All of those issues are being dealt
with. Ambassador Bremer is over there with a strong team, we are
slowly restoring basic elements of the infrastructure, the electrical
systems, sanitary systems, waters systems, other systems will come
online as ministries are rebuilt. We are making sure that senior
Ba'ath party leaders are not a part of that reconstruction. It will
take some time and we will put the effort into it that is required.
Additional troops are being made available for the Baghdad area, and I
think you will see the situation improve over time.
With respect to the Middle East, I think I have answered that question
and you will see continued engagement on my part and, of course, on
the part of the President in trying to get the parties together, get
both parties to recognize that we have to end the terror and the
violence that must come to an end and at the same time, the Israeli
side has to be prepared to take steps that would improve conditions of
daily life for the Palestinian people and also steps that will provide
for the Palestinian people a sense of what awaits them in the future.
What awaits them in the future is the vision that President Bush has,
of two states living side by side in peace.
With respect to terrorism, terrorism, as we have said from the week
after 9/11 President Bush started focusing on this, it is a worldwide
problem that threatens all civilized nations and it's going to be
there as long as organizations such as Al Qaida is there, and other
similar organizations. Iraqs may come and go, and other crises will
come and go, but terrorism is something that is going to continue to
be a threat to us all and that is why it is more important than ever,
that we cooperate closely, in intelligence sharing, law enforcement
activities, use of military force as appropriate and just make sure
the international community rallies against all forms of terrorist
activity and we will be discussing that at our conference here today.
QUESTION: Secretary, following up on that, is there anything specific
that the ministers can discuss and take action on, on terrorism here
in Paris and although you talk about taking first steps towards
reconciliation, is that possible when you have some retaliation still
from the United States. Do you agree with the Pentagon's decision, for
instance, to decide that France cannot participate in the annual
allied military exercises in Nevada this summer?
SECRETARY POWELL: There has been a lot of Al Qaida activity, whether
the overall threat is rising or if we are seeing a peak right now and
then it will recede again, I don't know. We have damaged Al Qaida
quite a bit by what we did in Afghanistan and a lot of work that has
been done here in France and Germany and a lot of other countries to
go after cells and pull them up. But, it is still a threat and I think
what we will do here today is review what has happened, recommit
ourselves to working, not only within the G-8, but with all of the
other countries that each of us interact with, encourage them all to
pass the various counter-terrorism conventions that are out there, and
not all of them have been passed by every country. But no specific
actions are required at this particular point. And now, the second
part of your question.
QUESTION: Asking about the Pentagon's decision ...
SECRETARY POWELL: To the best of my knowledge, on the one with respect
to "Red Flag", my understanding is that if for one reason or another
you miss a year then you have to get back in queue and I think that's,
that they are not in queue this year. But, the Pentagon is taking some
other steps as well that change the nature of their relationship with
the French military and I am going to leave that to the French
military and my colleagues in the Pentagon to work out.
It doesn't reflect on overall administration policy, it reflects that
fact that the Pentagon wants to review the various kinds and levels of
activities with France and other nations in this current environment
with the high tempo, lots of things going on, and they have decided
that they have to review all of these efforts. Some of them have been
reviewed to the point where the Pentagon feels they have to cut back
on some of the exchanges they have been having with France as well as
"Red Flag" which is for a different reason, but there are some other
aspects too, that the pentagon is looking at.
QUESTION: Does that undercut your efforts?
SECRETARY POWELL: My efforts are on track. I am here in Paris, I'm
looking forward to my meetings with Dominique de Villepin and we have
got a great vote coming up in the UN in a few moments.
QUESTION: Speaking about the Pentagon, (inaudible), you addressed a
letter to Mr. Rumsfeld concerning the presence of the under aged in
Guantanamo Base. Are you ready to make further steps in this issue in
the next months and what about the status of those prisoners?
SECRETARY POWELL: Secretary Rumsfeld and I have been discussing how to
expedite the movement of people out of Guantanamo, once we have
learned all we are going to learn from them in intelligence matters
and once we assure there are no criminal matters, or war crimes, or
things of that nature, that they should be held for. So, we have
expedited the process of answering those questions about law
enforcement and crimes, or intelligence and crimes and we are trying
to expedite the arrangements that we make with countries that they are
going back to -- their home countries.
And in the last week or so, we have concluded agreements with two
countries and their citizens are returning, in the process of
returning home. The only one I'll mention right now is Saudi Arabia
and there is another one that just needs another day or two to
complete the agreement. And we are working on all of the other
countries now, in an aggressive way, to see if we can clear up these
cases, particularly, if they involve people who are young and unlikely
to have had much intelligence information in the first place and
unlikely to have been party to serious crimes; they sort of got caught
up in the war.
QUESTION: Mr. Secretary (inaudible), may I ask what are the latest
news about weapons of mass destruction and Saddam Hussein?
SECRETARY POWELL: The mobile vans that you may have been reading
about, it is becoming clear that these vans can have no other purpose
than the production of biological weapons. Our intelligence community
has been very thorough in its examination and has ruled out any other
option. I think that's a clear indication that Saddam Hussein had the
programs of the kind we were talking about. The vans look exactly like
the pictures, the cartoons that I used during my presentation on the
5th of February. And, I'm sure that as we send more investigative
teams in and a very, very expert group of individuals -- a couple
thousand of them are on their way now -- and as they go through all
the documents and as they take a look at all the potential places
where weapons of mass destruction might have been stored, might have
been developed, there will be more information forthcoming.
There is no question that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass
destruction and every nation that voted for UN resolution 1441 last
November 8th acknowledged that, because the very basis of the
resolution was that Saddam Hussein and that regime was in material
breach of its obligations. By not accounting for its weapons of mass
destruction, and by denying things that were known to be true from
previous inspections and by submitting a false declaration they made
themselves even more in breach of their obligations and I am confident
that the evidence will prove that that finding of guilt in 1441 was
accurate and was a solid basis for subsequent actions that were taken.
QUESTION: Saddam Hussein's whereabouts?
SECRETARY POWELL: Je ne sais pas. I don't know, I don't know if he's
alive or if he's dead. The one thing I do know is he's not governing.
QUESTION: Alain Loyau, from l'Express. Do you think, as Time Magazine
this week, that may be the war against Al Qaida will never end?
SECRETARY POWELL: Terrorism has been around throughout history in one
form or another. Al Qaida is perhaps the most virulent form of
terrorist organization I've ever seen and it will not go away easily.
It has been damaged, let there be no doubt about that. We hurt it
badly in Aghanistan, we caused it to have to rearrange its way of
doing business and (inaudible). We learned a lot about its finances,
we learned a lot about how they pass information. We learned a great
deal about Al Qaida which allowed us to roll up cells in other parts
of the world.
It doesn't mean we have totally destroyed it and we have to keep at
it. Maybe the day will come and I hope it does and I hope it's in the
very near future where they give it up because the risks to them are
too great. The surge we've seen right now over the last week or so, if
all of it turns out to be Al Qaida, there's still some question as to
whether they're all Al Qaida or not, but the surge we have seen now is
the first such surge since 9/11 of this kind and I hope that by the
action they have taken in recent days, they tell us more about who
they are and where they are, they're giving themselves away to some
extent by undertaking these terrible activities and we'll just keep at
them.
We will not give up. The President has made this clear from the very
beginning, he has made this a major priority of his Administration and
it ought to be a major priority of every government in the world -- to
go after Al Qaida and similar terrorist organizations who use the
killing, the murdering of innocent people for political objectives.
France has been a victim of this, the United States has been a victim,
every civilized world has been a victim. Every civilized world must
share in this effort.
QUESTION: Channel 22 Israel. Secretary of State, what do you think
about French plan to convene an international conference for the
Middle East and is there is any possibility of summit meeting between
the President and Mr. Abu Mazen and Sharon about if this peace process
is not going as planned?
SECRETARY POWELL: The road map eventually leads to conferences of
various types, and sooner or later I hope sufficient progress will be
made that in an actual conference can be held. It is a proposal that
is out there from everybody that sooner or later an international
conference is needed. But there is no point trying to jump over
everything to get to an international conference until one knows what
one is having a conference about other than just having a conference.
So a conference is there in the future at some point if progress is
made on the roadmap.
With respect to President Bush meeting with Prime Minister Abu Mazen
and Prime Minister Sharon, he was going to meet with Prime Minister
Sharon this week but the terror attacks put that off. I am quite
confident that the President at some point in the future would welcome
an opportunity to meet with Prime Minister Abbas. And that is all I
can say about it right now.
QUESTION: Rivoli, ABC News. The situation in North Korea. Is it time
for the Russians and the Chinese to play more of an integral role to
make the situation without (inaudible) nuclear power more of a
multilateral negotiation tactic or is it still, or are you still
employing bilateral negotiation tactic? Where do you stand on that?
SECRETARY POWELL: There will be, there will be (inaudible) there can
only be a multilateral solution. North Korea's possession of nuclear
weapons, which they say they have, is unacceptable to South Korea, to
Japan, to China, to Russia, to the United States, to the world.
And so.... Excuse me a moment. 14-0. Thank you very much. Somebody
wasn't there.
And so it is unacceptable. The only way it can be dealt with is with
all the nations who have an equity in this involved. It is not just
the U.S.-North Korea bilateral issue, however much North Korea says it
is, or how many times they say it. It has to be dealt with
multilaterally. The Chinese understand that. That's why they were
willing to not only host the three-party meeting we had in Beijing,
but to participate fully in that.
I think that the other nations who have an interest in this, South
Korea and Japan, want to be part of that multilateral grouping if
there are future meetings and in my conversations with my Russian
colleagues last week in Moscow, it is clear that Russia is also
committed to a de-nuclearized North Korean Peninsula, and is willing
to play a political role in helping to bring that about.
North Korea has to understand that it's going to be multilateral, and
that their repeated threats, their repeated claims, their suggestions
of that which they might do or might not do is not going force us into
a bilateral discussion with them. It is not going to force us into
giving a concession that just leads to further demands for further
concessions.
We want to help North Korea. The President has made this clear from
the beginning. It is a country with a starving population, and
plutonium cannot be eaten. It is time for them to realize that they
have to give up these programs and some of the other things they are
doing in order for their neighbors to assist them through this
terrible period that they are going through.
QUESTION: (inaudible) claims that they indeed have reprocessed
(inaudible).
SECRETARY POWELL: No.
QUESTION: Mr. Secretary, just given the announcement of the vote that
you just made, do have any instant analysis or reaction to the fact
the Syrians didn't show up for it? You have expressed displeasure with
Syria in the past.
SECRETARY POWELL: No, no, no, no. You do the instant analysis. I'm the
Secretary of State.
(laughter)
QUESTION: Is there a price to pay for this?
SECRETARY POWELL: No, I am not reading a great deal into it, frankly.
They chose not to be present for the vote. I believe their permanent
representative was called back for consultations and maybe he didn't
get a phone call in time. But they chose not to be present for the
vote and that's understandable. 14-0, does that mean it's over?
(laughter)
QUESTION: Tim Franks, BBC. I am just wondering how confident you can
be, sir, that problems of Iraq (inaudible) you talked again today
about America leading a coalition of the willing in future. As far as
France is concerned, it has made it very clear that it wants to have a
multipolar world to, for example, increase the European Union's role
in terms of defense and common foreign policy. Given that, how
confident are you that the eruptions over Iraq are a (inaudible)?
Equally, how concerned are you that perhaps the direction France is
going now may serve to replicate these eruptions all over again?
SECRETARY POWELL: I have learned over the many years I've been in this
business, either as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff or National
Security Advisor, to avoid taking a snapshot and converting that into
a photo album of how things are going to be.
Let's take a look at what happened with Iraq. The United States did
not go off last September by itself and jump into a war because we had
nothing else to do that September. We took it to the UN. We took it to
the international community. The President of the United States stood
before the UN General Assembly and laid out the problem, laid out the
charge.
And why did we bring it to the UN, why did we stand before UNGA?
Because it was a UN problem. It was a regime that for twelve years had
said, "We will not comply." Then we spent seven weeks in the most
intense diplomatic effort I have ever been involved in working with
members of the Security Council to put in place a resolution that was
passed unanimously 15-0, that said serious consequences would flow.
So, we worked as a team.
Where it came apart was that when we saw the inspectors' work for
several months, it became clear to us that Saddam Hussein was playing
the same old game of deceiving, of denying. He gave a false
declaration. And we felt very strongly that if he wasn't called to
account now and faced the serious consequences intended in 1441, he
would escape again. And that is where the disagreement came and that
is why the second resolution did not succeed in terms of passing in
the UN. It did succeed as political action in that it emboldened the
United Kingdom, and Spain, and Italy, and Australia, even in the
absence of that second resolution, to get parliamentary approval for
what they did.
The coalition went in. It took care of the regime. The regime is gone.
And now, the United States, it is working once again with this
resolution today with the international community, to try to bring us
all together for the purpose of helping the Iraqi people.
And so we will have many discussions about whither Euro, whither
Europe, whither the United States, is the transatlantic community
broken up. Is it back together?
These are always with us. I have been through many of them over the
years on every imaginable issue from the posting of ground-launch
cruise missiles, Pershings, in the mid-eighties, all the way up to
when the end of the cold war came when I was Chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff and everyone was saying, "Well, we don't need NATO
anymore."
The only trouble was everybody kept trying to join this alliance that
nobody needed anymore. And my Russian general friends would say, "We
got rid of the Warsaw pact, why don't you get rid of NATO?" I said,
"I'd love to, but people keep asking for membership applications. It's
a little hard to close down a club that has a waiting line."
And so, I have been through this so many times, and I am telling you
what the future is going to hold. The future is going to hold a world
that will still have a strong transatlantic community. It will be a
world that in the next couple of months, within a year, will have 26
members of NATO and 25 members of the European Union. With those added
numbers comes more opportunities for debate and discussion, but that
is what democracy is all about -- debate and discussion.
There will be disagreements, there will be fights, but there will be
more areas in which we agree, more areas in which we can come together
as a transatlantic community to deal with some of the transatlantic
and now increasingly international problems we face.
Look at what we are doing: NATO is going to Afghanistan to take over
ISAF, NATO is considering what it might do in Iraq, NATO just said it
would help Poland discharge its responsibilities that it has taken
upon itself in Iraq. We've got what we are doing in the Balkans. Right
after 9/11, when the United States needed help protecting its air
space, NATO AWACS came to the United States and flew over our skies,
in our skies, through our skies, protecting American people with
European crews.
So there is so much we are going to do together. The quartet, the
European Union, the Russian Federation, the NATO-Russian Council,
there is so much that is going right in this transatlantic community,
that when a problem comes along, or disagreement comes along, such as
we've had over Iraq, let's argue about it, let's fight about it, let's
not paper it over, let's not pretend it didn't happen. It happened.
And there is still some tension over it. But let us remember what
keeps us together: shared values, shared beliefs, and a commitment to
help our people to a better life.
But more importantly, as the wealthiest part of the world, a
commitment on the part of all of us to help the people around the
world to a better life. As long as we keep our eyes on those values,
the transatlantic community is going to be fine, and I'll let others
decide whether uni-polar, multi-polar, bi-polar, whatever, you know. I
don't use those terms very often because I am not sure what they mean.
QUESTION: Athens news agency. Please (inaudible) How do you find the
Turkish (inaudible) to open the border (inaudible) do you think that
(inaudible)?
SECRETARY POWELL: I think it was a positive initiative to open the
border, especially coming at a time where diplomacy did not work,
where the sides were not able to come together on Secretary General
Annan's latest proposal. And then suddenly, the opening of the border
and what I have been watching for the last couple of months now are
people going back and forth. Talking to people they have not talked to
in a long time. And I think the more of this that goes on, people are
going to start asking, "Why can't we find a solution to this problem?"
And so, I am pleased that this kind of transiting is taking place, and
I encourage more of it.
QUESTION: German Television. I would come back to the relationship
between USA and Europe (inaudible) trouble we still have this
impression that every effort towards an independent Europe would be
interpreted against American interest.
SECRETARY POWELL: No, I don't think that is the case. I think that we
believe we are well integrated in NATO, as the North Atlantic
community, and we have been very supportive of Europe's effort to
create a European security and defense program (ESDP). I have been
supportive of that since the very first day of my service as Secretary
of State.
We have been very supportive of the European Union's effort to take
over in Macedonia, which they have now done. Something like 26 or (27)
countries coming together to provide the force there, we were
supportive of that. And so, we, our support of European efforts to
develop its own political and military identity. Where we get uneasy
is if it seems that this would do harm to the greatest political and
military alliance that the world has ever seen, which has served us so
well: that's NATO. But there is no reason that Europe can't have its
equities dealt with in ESDP or similar organizations and in harmony
with what NATO does.
We had a little concern recently when the meeting in Brussels took
place on the 29th of last month. And four nations, France, Germany,
Luxembourg, and Belgium suggested (inaudible) to the headquarters. I
was a little concerned about that because I think what we need right
now is more capability in European defense structures, and not more
headquarters. But this is a matter for the Europeans to decide, not
Americans to decide. We will continue to play an active full role in
NATO and in all of the various ways in which I interact with the
European Union and the President interacts with the European Union.
I spend as much time working with my colleagues in the European Union,
in fact, a lot more time with my colleagues in the European Union than
I do with my NATO colleagues on a day to day basis. Both are
important. And so we encourage Europe to develop the capabilities of
(inaudible) play a more important role with respect to defense. And I
think we have demonstrated that it can be done in harmony with NATO.
Thank you very much.
(end transcript)
(Distributed by the Bureau of International Information Programs, U.S.
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