23 May 2003
Transcript: U.S. Team Gains Ground in Recovering Missing Iraqi Artifacts
(Remaining work will require concerted global effort) (6140)
A U.S. military official familiar with the investigation to recover
items lost from the Iraqi National Museum in Baghdad says early
reports suggesting that as many as 170,000 pieces had disappeared were
"a gross, if (not) dramatic exaggeration."
Marine Colonel Matthew Bogdanos, who led a team of military and
civilian officers tasked with recovering missing Iraqi antiquities,
told reporters recently that while the missing artifacts are the
property of the Iraqi people, they also "represent the shared history
of all mankind."
Speaking to reporters at the Pentagon via video teleconference from
Baghdad May 16, Bogdanos said "the loss of a single piece of mankind's
shared history is a tragedy."
But he went on to say that tallying numbers of what is missing or has
been recovered cannot reveal the entire story, "nor should they be the
sole determinant used to assess the damage done."
Bogdanos' 14-person team went into Iraq in April to identify missing
artifacts, distribute photographs of the items to international law
enforcement officials and world renown art experts, initiate outreach
efforts to religious and community leaders and the media to publicize
the existing amnesty program that allows the return of items with "no
questions asked," and to develop promising leads designed to lead to
the recovery of items through raids and other strategies.
His team's preliminary investigation is now mostly complete, but he
said "a small contingent of the team will remain ... until all the
inventories in all of the (museum's) storage rooms are completed and
the final numbers are known."
Bogdanos reported the following successes:
-- 337 boxes containing 39,453 ancient books, Islamic manuscripts and
scrolls were located where they had been safeguarded in a bomb shelter
in western Baghdad;
-- a vault has been identified containing 616 pieces of the Treasures
of Nimrud and an additional 6,744 pieces of gold and jewelry are
thought to be located in the underground vaults of the Central Bank of
Iraq; and
-- 951 pieces have been recovered including a valuable pottery jar
from the Sixth Millennium B.C. and one of the earliest known Sumerian
statues.
The officer said hundreds of artifacts have been recovered from Iraqi
citizens participating in the amnesty program or who have hidden items
until they can be turned over to a future lawful and democratically
elected government in Iraq -- in some cases with U.S. forces securing
the items in the interim.
Bogdanos suggested that tracking down the remaining missing
antiquities may take years and will "require the cooperative and
concerted effort of all nations."
The United States, he said, is committed to restoring Iraq's priceless
treasures to their rightful place.
Following is the transcript of Bogdanos' remarks:
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NEWS TRANSCRIPT
United States Department of Defense
DoD News Briefing
Marine Col. Matthew Bogdanos
Friday, May 16, 2003 - 10:00 a.m. EST
(Live briefing from the team investigating antiquity loss from the
Baghdad museum, Baghdad, Iraq. Also participating was Bryan Whitman,
deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense (Public Affairs))
Whitman: Hi. Good morning. Thank you again for joining us. We're
getting a regular crowd here on the early morning.
Today is a little bit different, though. Instead of bringing you a
component commander or a division commander from Operation Iraqi
Freedom, we'd like to welcome Colonel Matthew Bogdanos, who joins us.
He has been the person that has been leading a special group of
military and civilian investigators who are working on the Baghdad
Museum antiquity loss and recovery efforts. And in the short time that
he's been working it, they've made some tremendous progress on
recovering artifacts that have been hidden and rediscovered and turned
in. And he's going to talk to you today, even though his work is not
yet completed, I don't believe, but he'll let you know exactly where
he's at, that -- what they've been able to accomplish so far.
We have 30 minutes for this, so if you have anything you'd like to say
first, I'd let you do that, and then we'll get into some questions.
Bogdanos: Good morning. My name is Colonel Matthew Bogdanos. As the
senior officer assigned to this investigation since it began, I am
prepared this evening or this morning, your time, to issue a
preliminary report of our findings. Once I've read my report -- that
should take about 10 to 15 minutes -- I will be prepared to answer any
questions, if you have any, of course.
In mid-April of this year, it was widely reported that that over
170,000 ancient artifacts had been stolen or looted from the National
Museum of Iraq in Baghdad. After fierce fighting, U.S. forces secured
the area. On April 16th, a tank platoon was positioned on the museum
grounds to prevent any further damage. The U.S. government then
dispatched a 13-member team from United States Central Command,
consisting of military personnel and U.S. Immigrations and Custom
Enforcement -- or ICE -- agents to investigate the theft and to begin
the recovery of the missing artifacts.
The primary goal was not criminal prosecution but the return of these
antiquities to the Iraq people. The methodology was tailored
accordingly and compromised four components:
The team sought first to identify missing antiquities.
Second, to disseminate photographs thereof to the international law
enforcement and art communities for possible interdiction.
Third, to initiate community outreach with religious and community
leaders and media in order to promote an amnesty or "no questions
asked" program for anyone returning the antiquities.
And fourth, to develop leads on the possible location of stolen
antiquities and then conducting investigative raids on those targeted
locations.
From the outset, the investigation has faced several challenges,
foremost among them being the museum's manual and incomplete
record-keeping or inventory system. The team also struggled with the
perception among some of the Iraqi people that the museum was
associated with both the former regime and the Ba'ath Party. For
example, after the team located boxes of priceless books and
manuscripts in a western Baghdad bomb shelter, it attempted to return
them to the museum. Although local residents were appreciative of U.S.
efforts in protecting the items, they expressed concerns about
returning them to the museum because of its perceived identification
with the Ba'ath Party. After meeting with community leaders who said
they would protect these boxes until a new government was instituted,
the team received inventories for all 337 boxes and agreed to leave
them locked in the shelter protected by a 24-hour, seven-day-a-week
neighborhood watch.
Another issue concerns underground vaults in the Central Bank of Iraq.
According to museum staff, they removed between 15 and 20 boxes of
gold and jewelry, including the famed Treasure of Nimrud, to the
vaults over the last 13 years. To date, the museum staff has produced
partial inventories for those items. Because those vaults are still
sealed, the team has not yet been able to verify the accuracy of those
inventories.
The investigation also recovered the existence of a secret or
protected storage location used by the staff since 1990. Museum
officials admit several members of their staff know of its existence
but are sworn to secrecy, vowing not to divulge its location until a
new government in Iraq is established and U.S. forces leave the
country. Officials have, however, promised to provide the
investigators with a complete inventory of the items stored in the
secret place by the end of this week.
Finally, having no other knowledge base to operate from, and for
purposes of this phase of the investigation, the team has assumed that
the inventories of antiquities listed by the museum staff as present
in the museum when Operation Iraqi Freedom began was complete and
accurate. This is not a commentary on their accuracy, simply an
acceptance of the reality that any investigation must have a starting
point. Thus premised, the investigation indicates the following:
Years before Iraqi Freedom, most of the gold and jewelry were removed
from the museum and placed in the underground vaults of the Central
Bank of Iraq. Months before the war, the staff moved manuscripts and
scrolls to the western Baghdad bomb shelter. Weeks before the war, the
staff moved many smaller pieces from the public galleries to the
restoration room, storage rooms or the secret location.
On the 8th of April, the last of the staff left the museum. U.S.
forces then became engaged in intense combat with Iraqi forces that
fought from the museum grounds and from a nearby Special Republican
Guard compound. It was during this period that the looting took place,
ending by the 12th of April, when some staff returned. The keys to the
museum, previously locked away in a director's safe, have never been
found. U.S. forces entered the compound on the 16th of April and the
investigation began on the 22nd.
Turning to the losses in the museum, it must be stressed that the loss
of a single piece of mankind's shared history is a tragedy, but it is
clear that the originally reported number of 170,000 was a gross, if
dramatic, exaggeration. It is equally clear that numbers cannot
possibly tell the whole story, nor should they be the sole determinant
used to assess the damage done. Used appropriately, however, they do
offer a quantifiable measure of both the initial damage and the
success of recovery efforts.
In this regard, the investigation has revealed the following:
In the administrative area, all offices were ransacked, equipment
stolen and safes emptied. Indeed, damage in the administrative area
far exceeds that seen in the museum itself.
Turning to the public galleries of the museum, the staff had
previously emptied the display cases, thus, of the 451 display cases
in the galleries themselves, only 28 were broken. Many artifacts were
moved to other locations, while larger statues and friezes were left
on the gallery floor, either covered with foam padding or laid on
their sides. Of these, 42 pieces or exhibits were stolen. Most notably
and lamentably, the sacred Vase of Warka, a Sumerian piece from about
3000 B.C., and the Bisetti statue from about 2300 B.C. Of these
original 42 pieces or exhibits, nine have been recovered in the first
25 days of this investigation. Thus, 33 are still missing. In
addition, 15 other pieces were damaged, notably, the Golden Harp of
Ur, although its golden head had previously been removed to a bank
vault. A dozen clay pots lining the corridors were also damaged, and
according to the staff, all damaged pieces are capable of being
restored.
Turning to the Heritage Room, which consists of more recent pieces,
such as scrolls, antique furniture and fine porcelain, museum
officials have not yet compiled an inventory from that single room.
However, 142 items stolen from that room have already been recovered.
The museum also has five storage rooms, or magazines, only, three of
which were entered during this time period. Because these rooms
contain tens of thousands of clay pots, pottery shards, statuettes and
the like, from both museum-sponsored and individually-registered
excavation sites, a complete inventory of items missing from here may
take months. We can, however, make some preliminary findings with
regard to the storage rooms.
The first and second-level storage rooms were looted, but show no
signs of forced entry on their shared exterior steel door. The keys to
this door were last seen in a director's safe, and are now missing.
Some shelves were disturbed that contain the excavation site pieces,
and many boxes were turned upside down and their contents either
emptied on the floor or taken. In these two magazines, over 2,100
excavation site pieces -- jars, vessels, pottery shards and the like
-- were stolen, of which almost 800 have been recovered so far.
Several dozen clay pots were also broken and strewn about the floor
and the aisles of the storage magazines. Another 150 smaller pottery
pieces -- again, the vessels and the jars -- were also stolen from
boxes contained in temporary storage rooms. Twelve of these have been
recovered so far.
It was in the second-floor storage room or magazine that the
investigation discovered evidence that one of the corners of the room
was used as a firing position. The team found a window slit broken
open from the inside with boxes against the wall placing the window
opening at shooter's height. Found nearby were RPG (Rocket-propelled
grenade) parts, an ammunition box, an AK-47 magazine and grenade
pouch, and a grenade that turned out to be a dud. This reinforces
earlier discoveries of a box of RPGs on the roof of the museum
library, and another box of RPGs on the roof of the children's museum.
The latter, the children's museum, was the building from which RPGs
were fired at U.S. forces. I should stress that there is no evidence
that any fighters entered the museum compound before the staff left on
the 8th of April.
Turning to the basement-level magazine, the evidence here strongly
suggests that this magazine or storage room was compromised or entered
not by random looters but by thieves with an intimate knowledge of the
museum and its storage practices, for it is here they attempted to
steal the most trafficable and easily transportable items stored in
the most remote corner of the museum. The front door of this basement
magazine was intact, but its bricked rear doorway was broken and
entered.
This magazine has four rooms, three of which were virtually untouched.
Indeed, even the fourth room appears untouched except for a single
corner, where almost 30 small boxes originally containing cylinder
seals, amulets, pendants and jewelry had been emptied, while hundreds
of surrounding larger but empty boxes were untouched.
The thieves here had keys that were previously hidden elsewhere in the
museum. These keys were to the storage cabinets that lay immediately
adjacent to these boxes. In those storage cabinets were tens of
thousands of Greek, Roman, Hellenistic and Islamic gold and silver
coins, one of the finest collections anywhere.
Ironically, the thieves appear to have dropped the keys to those
storage cabinets in one of those plastic boxes on the floor. After
frantically and unsuccessfully searching for them in the dark -- there
was no electricity, and they were using foam padding, lighting that
afire for light -- after searching for them in the dark and throwing
the boxes in every direction, they left without opening any of the
storage cabinets. After a methodical search, the team found the keys
underneath the debris, underneath these strewn boxes. The inventory of
this room will also take weeks, but it appears that little was taken
and a catastrophic loss narrowly averted.
To date, this investigation has resulted in the following: Located 337
boxes containing 39,453 ancient books, Islamic manuscripts and scrolls
safeguarded in that bomb shelter in western Baghdad. Identified a
vault containing 616 pieces of the Treasures of Nimrud and another
vault containing 6,744 pieces of gold and jewelry in the underground
vaults in the Central Bank of Iraq. And finally, we have recovered 951
pieces, including one of the oldest known bronze-relief bulls, a
pottery jar from the Sixth Millennium B.C., and one of the earliest
known Sumerian statues.
Hundreds of these pieces that have been recovered have come from Iraqi
citizens pursuant to the amnesty or no-questions-asked program. And
they have stressed their desire to return these items to the U.S.
forces for safekeeping until a lawful and democratic Iraqi government
is elected. Several hundred more were returned by Dr. {Ahmed] Chalabi
(Iraqi National Congress) after being confiscated from a car at a
checkpoint near al-Kut.
This team's mission was to a conduct a preliminary investigation into
the theft and looting in order to begin the recovery. This phase of
the investigation is now substantially complete, but a small
contingent of the team will remain here until all of the inventories
in all of the storage rooms are completed and the final numbers are
known. The evidentiary findings in this report will ultimately be
provided to the Iraqi government for appropriate legal action.
The majority of the work remaining, that of tracking down each of
these missing pieces will likely take years. It will require the
cooperative and concerted effort of all nations.
There are two components to this global aspect of the investigation
worth noting. First, in order to intercept these artifacts, we must
make the missing items universally recognizable among the
international law enforcement and art communities, using all available
tools, to include Web Sites, international media and local law
enforcement officials. Second, we must continue to develop
confidential sources within the art smuggling community in order to
track, recover and return these pieces. Both of these components have
already begun.
The missing artifacts are, indeed, the property of the Iraqi people.
But in a very real sense, they represent the shared history of all
mankind. It is this knowledge that informs our confidence that the
recovery effort will succeed. The United States government, the United
States Central Command and this team are committed to restoring these
priceless treasures of our history to their rightful place. I speak
for all of us when I say we are proud to have begun the journey and
honored to have served. And now, if there are any questions, I'd be
happy to take them.
Whitman: That was a very comprehensive summary there, but I'm sure we
have some follow-up and clarification that we'd like to ask you about.
So, go ahead.
Q: You mentioned that hundreds more, and I didn't catch the whole
phrase -- 100 more items were taken from Dr. Chalabi near al-Kut. Can
you tell us a bit more about that, what happened there?
Bogdanos: Certainly. Several weeks ago, there was a white pickup truck
traveling in the Kut region, south of Baghdad. And it was stopped at a
checkpoint. In the car were, in one of those aluminum footlockers that
the museum uses for its storage practices. The individuals at the
checkpoint associated with the Iraqi National Congress stopped the car
at the checkpoint and searched the car, finding these antiquities --
pieces that came from the Iraq Museum. They confiscated those items
and brought them to Dr. Chalabi, who then returned them to us.
Q: Hi, sir, this is Kathy Rhem from the American Forces Press Service.
Could you elaborate some on the makeup of your team, what the members'
areas of expertise are? And give us some of your background, what
prepared you for this mission, what your area of expertise is.
Bogdanos: Okay. And I'm sorry, I could -- I heard the first part of
the question about the makeup of the team. Let me answer that part.
And then if there's more, please follow up.
The team itself -- we've got now 14 members, but it's a part of a
larger team, the Joint Interagency Coordination Group. It was formed
by U.S. Central Command shortly after September 11th. It contains
military members and law enforcement agents from 12 different U.S.
governmental agencies. When we received this mission from General
(Tommy) Franks, it was my job to task-organize a team to come here to
do this particular mission. We have -- of the 13 people that began the
mission, three of those are military: one Air Force, one Army, and one
Marine. And then, 10 of those are from what used to be Customs, but
since their movement to the Department of Homeland Defense -- or,
Security, excuse me -- is now Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
We are trained investigators. Customs, as you know, is the -- one of
the internationally recognized subject matter experts in art
smuggling. And that's -- we are here in that capacity, to investigate
what happened and then start the art smuggling trail, if you will.
And I know you had a second part of that, which I couldn't hear.
Q: The other part of my question was on your background. Are you a
Military Police officer, and do you have any special background in art
or antiquities that helps you with this mission?
Bogdanos: Well, I'm actually a recalled reservist. I was recalled to
active duty immediately after September 11th. But before this -- I'm a
homicide prosecutor with the Manhattan -- or, New York County District
Attorney's Office. I've been there for about 15 years now. In terms of
my educational background, I have a master's in classical studies. But
the team itself is here as an investigative team.
Q: Sir, it's Mike Mount with CNN. A question on the number of
valuables that were in the museum. Do you have an overall number of
items that were in the museum, not just taken, but as a whole?
Bogdanos: No. And as I mentioned in the report, it's important to
understand several limiting factors here or challenges that we've had
to struggle through. The first is, there is no master list. There was
certainly no computerized list, but there was also no master list of
everything that's in the museum. What you have instead are different
departments or different sections of the museum that would keep their
own individual inventories. Some of those are more complete than
others. In many cases, the inventories themselves were in the
administrative offices, which were ransacked, and were destroyed or
stolen along with the antiquities themselves. So we have in some cases
been forced to recreate inventories.
And on a numbers issue, I'd like to -- I've brought some of the pieces
that we've actually recovered. And if we could now, I'd like to have
the camera move to that because I'd like to highlight some of the
issues with regard to numbers, and why numbers used inappropriately
don't offer a clear indication of the extent of the damage.
I'll start with here. You see before you here you have 15 pieces of
pottery, pottery shards. Each of these items, when they were recovered
at the excavation site, were recovered in this condition. Well, if
these are stolen, they're 15 items stolen. If they're recovered,
they're 15 items recovered. But turning to the item right next to it,
it is a Sixth Millennium pot from Tel Hasuna. It represents one
number, but surely this piece has more historical significance than
the other 15. Understand also that because these were stored in
different locations in the museum, the inventories would have been
prepared by different staff members, and the inventories themselves
will be separate.
So I know that's not an answer you want to hear, but you need to give
the museum staff a little more time in order to get the number that
you're looking for.
Q: Sir, Brian Harbin with ABC News. At this point, do you have any
leads, do you have any suspicions on whether was this an inside job,
were these Ba'athists, master criminals with ties to organized crime
internationally? And also, have you picked up anything with the leads
that you've been trying to chase down with Interpol and some of the
international agencies?
Bogdanos: Okay. Now I know why Mr. Rumsfeld (Secretary of Defense)
insists on one question at a time. If you could break that down for me
-- and I didn't hear the first part -- that would be great.
Q: Yeah, the first -- sure. The first part was really just one long
question. What is your suspicion -- who's behind this? Do you think
these were insiders who worked at the museum? Were they Ba'athists?
Were they outsiders from outside Iraq who have ties to organized
crime?
Bogdanos: Got it. Let me address the part about if they were
Ba'athists. Politics gets in the way of a good investigation. I don't
know the political affiliation of the individuals that did this.
But here's what I can tell you about what the investigation has
uncovered so far. There appear to be multiple groups of individual --
or individuals. You have one set who appeared -- or, the evidence
strongly suggests, knew what they were looking for and selected items
from the public galleries.
You have then a second set or a universe of individuals in the
basement storage magazine, most -- especially, that required an
intimate knowledge of the museum itself and its storage practices.
Whether that knowledge came because it was an employee him- or herself
who did it, or who got the information from an employee, we're not
able to say at this point.
Then you have a third group, and that would be the more indiscriminate
looters, I think, the press has been calling them.
In reality, what you have is a combination of all three of those.
Whether they're working in concert with each other, whether the
individuals who knew what they were looking for opened the doors in
order to allow people in, to cover their tracks, that's not something
the investigation has determined just yet. We have determined that
there appear to be three separate dynamics.
And I think you had another part of that question.
Q: Yeah. The last, sir, was, you mentioned that you've been putting
photos of some of the artworks out in the international law
enforcement community. I'm just wondering if those efforts have borne
any fruit. Have you picked anything up trying to be sold somewhere
overseas?
Bogdanos: So far we have not. We this afternoon arranged with
Jordanian customs officials -- we'd arranged it earlier, but -- to
make all of the artifacts that have been seized by Jordanian customs
available to us. We sent a Customs representative to Amman to
photograph all of those items. And we don't yet have the results of
that to know whether any of those items are, in fact, artifacts that
have been taken from the Iraq Museum.
I do want to stress that the global interdiction or interception
program is going to take time.
Q: This is Jim Mannion from Agence France-Presse. Early on, you said
that your priority is recovery rather than prosecution. But has
anybody been detained? And -- I mean, and certainly, there's -- I
would think that particularly in the case of the, you know -- the
thieves, that prosecution is going to be part of this, isn't it?
Bogdanos: Well, let me answer your first part first. Yes, the goal of
this phase of the investigation was clearly the recovery of these
artifacts. Hence, for example, the amnesty program. It's not a program
you would have if your goal was solely criminal prosecutions. But I
need to stress that that's this phase of the investigation. As I
mentioned earlier, all of the findings and all of the evidentiary
details of the report will be made available to Iraqi authorities for
criminal prosecution, if that's deemed appropriate.
Q: Barbara Starr, sir, from CNN. I was trying to make the numbers add
up. Is there any summary statistic you could just give us from all of
your categories about numbers of items stolen, numbers of items
recovered?
Bogdanos: In terms of -- I can tell you numbers of items either
located or recovered, and that is in the report which will be made
available. And I've already mentioned that we have 951 items that have
been actively recovered, either through going out and getting them or
through the amnesty program, people walking up; but more usually,
going to a third site, a neutral site, and picking those items up. In
addition to that, the items we've located -- I mentioned 39,453
manuscripts, the 616 pieces of the Treasures of Nimrud, the 6,744
pieces of gold and jewelry that are in the Central Bank of Iraq. And I
point out again, we have not gained entry yet to those vaults. We are
going off of the inventories that we have received from the museum
staff that tell us that those are in there.
Now, in terms of the items missing, I can tell you what I said before
about the public galleries themselves, those display items, if you
will. And of those, 42 were originally stolen and nine were recovered,
so 33 remain missing.
But it's simply, at this point, impossible to give you numbers,
because there are tens of thousands of pieces that don't just have to
be counted, but they have to be counted and compared against inventory
lists that, in some cases, don't exist or can't be found.
Q: Sorry, to make sure I absolutely understand, the list you went
through of items you described as located -- 39,616; 6,744, there was
no indication that those were stolen. Those are things you came to
understand the location of where they were.
Bogdanos: Those are items that were removed from the museum prior to
the war, and we have located them; that's correct.
Q: Thank you.
Q: This is Will Dunham with Reuters. Can you go back and explain again
why there has not been access to the vaults? And was it -- the
material that's there, we're trusting that it's there because it's
been inventoried as being there?
And just one other thing. It's proper to say that we simply don't know
-- you folks don't know how much is missing right now, because you
haven't seen what's in the vaults, and there's other stuff that just
simply can't be accounted for because it hasn't been seen yet. Is that
correct?
Bogdanos: I guess the answer to your question would be no, that's not
correct. So let me see if I can answer those in seriatim.
Access to the vaults. This is an investigative team. The vaults will
be opened at an appropriate time by an appropriate authority. It's --
(chuckles) -- this team doesn't have the authority to open underground
vaults of the Central Bank of Iraq. That is not to say they won't be
opened. They will, but by an appropriate authority.
The second point to your question, I think, was that we're trusting
that the inventories -- or that they're there. No, we are, for
purposes of this phase of the investigation, assuming that the
inventories are complete and accurate. When the bank vaults are
opened, there will be an investigator physically present to determine
whether or not the items that are in the underground -- or claimed to
be in the underground vault are in fact in the underground vault.
And then the third part, I think, was something like we don't exactly
know what's missing. And I'm sorry to repeat myself. We know what's
missing from certain rooms, but when you get to storage rooms that
contain upwards of 100,000 different pieces, each of which has to be
individually counted and catalogued and compared against an original
excavation site number, that's going to take time.
Q: Who is going to open -- who will be the proper authorities to open
those bank vaults, and what's the timing on that?
Bogdanos: You're going to have to ask someone a whole smarter than I
that question. That's something above my level.
Q: Sir, it's Pauline Jelinek of the Associated Press. I'm sorry. I
don't understand. Are the vaults the same thing as the secret location
that you said they won't tell where it is? I'm confused -- no. So can
you tell us more about the secret location?
Bogdanos: Yes, ma'am. The underground vaults are two vaults that are
in the Central Bank of Iraq. They are not the same as the secret
location. The secret location is a particular location. Members of the
museum staff have told us that they have sworn on the Koran not to
reveal the location of that secret place.
What they have done for -- at least for this phase, is agreed to
provide us with inventories of what is in that particular place. And I
stress, as I have before, this is simply phase one of the
investigation.
And I don't know if I've answered all of your question. If I haven't,
please follow up, because I couldn't hear the last part.
Q: I'm sorry. They have already provided the inventories, or you don't
have any idea what's in there?
Bogdanos: They have promised to provide inventories by the end of this
week. So we do not yet have inventories for that particular location.
Q: Do you have any idea of what's in there without the full inventory,
what kind of thing?
Bogdanos: Yes, ma'am. Anecdotally we have been told, through our
interviews with the museum staff, what is in there. And primarily it's
the items that were removed from the display cases. Remember I
mentioned to you that there were approximately 400 -- exactly 451
display cases that were in the museum and had been emptied prior to
the war? It's those items. We're talking about some gold and jewelry,
pottery, beads. We're talking about amulets, pendants, ivory
statuettes, ivory reliefs, things like that.
Q: Sir, this is Kathy Rhem from the American Forces Press Service
again Can you describe the level of cooperation you've been getting
and the working relationship your team has with the museum staff?
Bogdanos: Actually, perhaps the best way to do that is to introduce
Dr. Donny George, who is the director-general of research and
antiquities for the Iraq Museum. Many of you may have already known
him previously from having spoken to you. So I'd like to introduce him
now.
Donny George (director-general of research and antiquities, Iraq
Museum): Thank you very much, Colonel Bogdanos.
I really would love to express our thanks to Colonel Bogdanos and his
team for what they've been doing. And we've been working together, I
believe, as on one team to try to restore what has been looted from
the museum. And I think this can give a good answer for your question.
Q: Thank you.
Q: Could we ask Dr. George to spell his name, sir?
Bogdanos: Certainly. It's Dr. Donny -- D-o-n-n-y, George --
G-e-o-r-g-e.
Q: Hi. Kathy Kay here again from the BBC. Two things. I'll start with
one. Could you just clarify again how many people there are on your
team, how many U.S. personnel you have working on this investigation?
Bogdanos: Ma'am, I'm sorry. The only word we got was investigation. I
wonder if you could repeat that please.
Q: Can you tell us again exactly how many U.S. personnel you have
working in this investigation?
Bogdanos: Now, it's -- it began at 13, and now it's 14 on the compound
itself. And please understand we draw on the expertise of our fellow
law enforcement and military officers throughout the world, like the
Customs official in Jordan or FBI in Washington or Customs
headquarters in Washington to disseminate the photographs to the
Department of State and to Interpol. _ So we have 14 people working
here and actually living on the museum grounds itself. But we have
many more assisting in other locations throughout the world.
And I'm getting a signal that we're out of time. I don't know, should
I -- am I supposed to allow one more question? How does this work?
Whitman: She has a follow-up on her question there or a second part to
a question, and if we could get that in, they'll let you go then.
Q: Can you just tell us what's the most valuable items that's still
missing? And what's the most valuable item that's been recovered?
Bogdanos: Okay, I need to preface this by saying that's like asking a
parent, "Who's your favorite child?" I mean, these are all priceless
treasures. But you're not going to want me to settle with answer.
Perhaps the most valuable item that is missing is a white limestone
votive bowl from Sumerian times, commonly called, "The Sacred Vase of
Warka."
It's difficult to say what is the most important item recovered,
though I do -- if I could show you over here, one of the items that we
have recovered, in addition to the items I've shown you also, is this
Sumerian statue, one of the first known free-standing Sumerian statues
of -- as I understand it, of a priest. We have also recovered an
Assyrian statue from 9th century B.C. of King Salmanazar, and we've
recovered one of the oldest known or oldest recorded bronze bowls in
relief.
Having said that, each and every time we recover a single piece, it's
an absolute joy to those of us on the investigation.
Whitman: Well, we have exceeded the time that you've allotted for us,
and we really do appreciate you taking the time. This has been very
informative, and we appreciate the detail that you've been able to
provide us today. Thank you.
Bogdanos: Thank you all.
(end transcript)
(Distributed by the Bureau of International Information Programs, U.S.
Department of State. Web site: http://usinfo.state.gov)
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