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01 May 2003

Powell Thanks Spain for Coalition Support

(Discusses Iraq, Middle East in Spanish TV interview) (1900)
Secretary of State Colin Powell was in Madrid May 1 to express his
appreciation for the strong support that Spain provided to the
coalition that liberated Iraq.
In an interview on Spanish television, Powell said the Spanish people
should be very proud of the stand their government took on the issue.
"I know there was a great deal of concern and there was a great deal
of popular opposition, but look what we've achieved: their dictator is
gone, the people are free, people are now being fed, humanitarian
supplies are flowing into the country, the electrical system is being
fixed, and the Iraqi people are already becoming part of the process,
the political process to determine how they will be governed in the
future."
Asked if democracy can succeed in Iraq, Powell said there is no reason
why it would not, even though the Iraqi people have not had
representative government before.
"It's a new experience for many countries in the world," he said,
citing the changes made throughout the former Soviet Union during the
past decade. He also noted the initial meetings of Iraqi citizens who
came together, debated with each other, agreed, disagreed, and emerged
with a statement of principles. "This is democracy by definition,"
Powell said.
One should not be surprised by continuing violence in Iraq, due to a
lack of security in certain places, because for the first time people
are free to demonstrate, "and sometimes demonstrations get out of
control," he said.
The Secretary of State answered questions about the newly released
"roadmap" for peace in the Middle East and the death of Spanish
journalist Jose Couso in Baghdad. He also noted that Spanish President
Jose Maria Aznar would visit Washington the first week of May for
talks with President Bush.
Following is a transcript of the interview:
(begin transcript)
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
Office of the Spokesman (Madrid, Spain)
May 1, 2003
INTERVIEW
SECRETARY OF STATE COLIN L. POWELL INTERVIEW WITH SPANISH TELEVISION,
TVE
Madrid, Spain
QUESTION: Mr. Secretary of State Powell, in your tour of different
capitals, why Madrid? What is the frame of your conversations with Mr.
Aznar and Ms. Palacio?
SECRETARY POWELL: Well, I was anxious to visit Madrid to express my
appreciation directly to President Aznar and to Minister Palacio for
the strong support that Spain has provided to the coalition that
liberated Iraq. And frankly, it's to bring a message to the Spanish
people that they should be very proud of the stand that their
government has taken. I know there was a great deal of concern and
there was a great deal of popular opposition, but look what we've
achieved: their dictator is gone, the people are free, people are now
being fed, humanitarian supplies are flowing into the country, the
electrical system is being fixed, and the Iraqi people are already
becoming part of the process, the political process to determine how
they will be governed in the future. So we have given a hopeful future
for the people of Iraq as a result of the coalition effort, and we
have gotten rid of a regime that was terrorizing its own people, that
was developing Weapons of Mass Destruction, and I wanted to express my
appreciation to President Aznar. Of course, President Aznar is coming
to Washington next week to see his good friend President George Bush,
and it was an opportunity to review our bilateral agenda before then.
QUESTION: In the future, what kind of cooperation do you expect from
Spain in Iraq? Do you expect humanitarian, economic aid?
SECRETARY POWELL: Yes, from my discussions with Foreign Minister
Palacio, it's clear that Spain wants to play an active role in the
future of Iraq. And we talked about potential military contributions
in peacekeeping efforts, and we talked about humanitarian support,
financial support, for the coalition's efforts to help the Iraqi
people. And of course, Spain is a member of the Security Council, a
very important member of the Security Council, so it was an
opportunity for us also to discuss the way forward in the Security
Council to help the people of Iraq.
QUESTION: What do you see as the reason there are people refusing,
this past week in Fallujah, for instance, cooperation with the
American soldiers? Do you think the population will escalate this kind
of provocation?
SECRETARY POWELL. I don't know if it will escalate, and frankly, most
of the country elsewhere is pretty stable. There are instances here
and there. In Fallujah, we've had three days of demonstrations, and we
need to make sure that we have enough presence there to control the
situation, and our commanders are now working to find out the sources
of the grievances that people have, and hopefully the situation will
calm down in the near future. One should not be surprised that, after
an operation such as we've just had, Operation Iraqi Freedom, there
will be a period of continuing hostilities, not like having a war, but
there will still be a lack of security in certain places. And people
for the first time are free to demonstrate, and sometimes
demonstrations get out of control. We'll continue to convey to the
Iraqi people that we are there to help them -- we are not there to
occupy the country. We will only stay long enough to make sure that
they have in place a representative form of government, and that the
situation is stable, and then let the Iraqi people be in charge of
their own future, their own destiny.
QUESTION: Talking about the future of Iraq -- will it be possible to
build a democratic system -- they've never had a democratic system.
They have lived under British rule, under a monarchy, and under
Saddam. Will it be hard to build one?
SECRETARY POWELL: It will be [a] challenging, but it is now possible.
If you look at what has been going on in the Northern part of Iraq,
where the Kurds have been for the last 10 years free of rule from
Saddam Hussein, they have put in place a system of government that is
more representative, certainly, than the rest of Iraq. So there is no
reason that the Iraqi people can't have a democracy of the kind that
you and I would recognize, not identical to Spanish democracy or
American democracy, but there is nothing inconsistent between being a
Muslim country, and also a democracy, a representative form of
government -- even though it's a new experience for them. It's a new
experience for many countries in the world, I mean you look at the
countries behind the Iron Curtain that are now free and they have put
together democracies after decades of being pressured by dictators, in
Moscow and in their own capitals. So we should not immediately assume
the Iraqi people have never had it before, therefore they don't know
how to do it now. We'll help them, and we're encouraged. The first two
meetings that we have held with political leaders, they've come,
they've sat, they've argued, they've debated with each other, they
have agreed, they've disagreed, they've come out with a statement of
principles -- this is democracy by definition.
QUESTION: You are going to be in the Middle East later this month. Do
you think it is possible to agree with these proposals, with the road
map? Is it the same old process with a new name?
SECRETARY POWELL: There is a significant difference now, and that is
that the Palestinian Authority has begun to transform itself. A new
Finance Minister came in some months ago -- has grabbed hold of
Palestinian finances, and we now have confidence that their finances
are being dealt with in a transparent, uncorrupt way. That was an
encouraging element of transformation. And now we have a new Prime
Minister, Mr. Abu Mazen, and he has independent authority, not just
authority from Arafat -- he has been empowered by the Palestinian
legislature. And he has already come out, immediately, the first day,
condemned violence, and said we must stop this, we must end the
terror.
Mr. Arafat, in our judgment, is a failed leader. He led the
Palestinian people for all those years, but didn't lead them. He did
not get them a state, he did not get them peace, he just led them from
one intifada to the next. The United States felt strongly, and
President Bush gave a speech last June, that said we must help
transform the leadership of the Palestinian authority. We are now
seeing that transformed leadership come forward. Mr. Fayyad, the
Finance Minister, and now with the new Prime Minister, and Muhammad
Dahlan, as Minister of State for Security Issues. And we hope that
this puts this new face on the Palestinian Authority -- the Israeli
side will find a partner for peace and they can begin working with
each other.
But it's a bit much to expect that the road map goes down one day, and
the next day everything is fine -- there are no more bombings, there
are no more actions on the part of the Israelis. Remember, there are
people, there are groups in the Palestinian Authority who don't want
to see progress, they don't want to see a road map working. So as soon
as progress starts they will do everything they can to stop it. We
must not let them stop it, we must not let them lose this last chance
that the Palestinian people have for statehood.
QUESTION: Is it possible to expect an official investigation from
Washington on the case of the Spanish cameraman Jose Couso?
SECRETARY POWELL: Well, we are continuing to look into it. Commander
General Franks has launched an inquiry to find out what else we can
find out about it, what more information might be available. I don't
know if we'll learn any more, other than that it was a tragic
incident, an accident of war.
We knew that hotel was full of journalists and others, and that's why
we've never targeted it. It was never on our target list to be struck
by aircraft. But what happened on that day was, it wasn't being
attacked by aircraft, there was a battle on the ground taking place
around the hotel, and our troops were being fired at. And they have to
protect themselves, they have to defend themselves, and more than
that, they have to go after the enemy that's shooting at them. It was
a battle zone, and unfortunately in the course of that battle, our
troops took actions which resulted in the death of several people,
including this gentleman, and I extend my condolences once again to
his family, and extended my condolences to Minister Palacio. But it
truly was an accident that happened in the course of war.
Thirteen journalists were killed in the course of this conflict. Not
one did we want to see killed or was targeted. Some were killed by
Iraqi action, some were killed as a result of friendly fire, all
regrettably. We tried to warn everybody who was in the theatre, that
it is dangerous to be in the middle of a battleground, and I very much
regret the loss of this life.
QUESTION: Mr. Secretary of State, thank you very much for this time.
SECRETARY POWELL: Thank you.
(end transcript)
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