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Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD)

21 November 2002

Administration Officials Brief at NATO Summit

(Senior administration officials brief in Prague Nov. 21) (4470)
Following is a transcript of a briefing conducted by senior Bush
administration officials November 21 during the Prague NATO Summit, on
major issues arising during the summit discussions:
(begin transcript)
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary (Prague, Czech Republic)
November 21, 2002
BACKGROUND BRIEFING BY SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS ON THE
PRESIDENT'S NATO MEETINGS
Prague Hilton
Prague, Czech Republic
Q: Sir, there is a small but meaningful discrepancy between the
English and French versions of the NATO statement on Iraq. The French
version suggests -- says that the U.N. resolution warned Iraq of the
grave consequences it would face if it continues to fail to meet its
obligations. The English version is obviously much more assertive, it
talks about as a result of its continued violation of its obligations.
Is that a meaningful discrepancy, and if so, what does it mean?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Okay, thank you. It's not a meaningful
discrepancy. Let me tell you how we arrived at this statement on Iraq.
We've been talking at NATO for six months about Iraq. Rich Armitage,
our Deputy Secretary of State, gave a top secret briefing to the NATO
Alliance about Iraq and WMD. Secretary Rumsfeld, in June; Secretary
Rumsfeld in September also gave highly classified intelligence
briefings to the Alliance, as did John McLaughlin, our Deputy CIA
Director. So we've had a long discussion.
We all knew in the Alliance that at this summit that the issue of Iraq
would be a test of Alliance unity, and we've talked for a couple of
months in the Alliance privately about how we should face it. Two days
ago the U.S. tabled in Brussels this -- a draft text, and within 18
hours we had agreement on that text. That's warp speed; if you know
anything about how NATO works, sometimes it's at a very glacial pace.
We negotiated this text in English. We have two official languages in
NATO, English and French. It was negotiated in English, all of the
French speakers at the table saw it in English, worked on it in
English, and agreed to it in English, then a French translation is
made.
So it is true that both texts are operative because in NATO, always
both English and French texts are operative. But I would draw your
attention to the English text as the document which was actually
negotiated. It was also read out today to the heads in English, if
that answers your question.
Q: The French are objecting to December 8th as a possible trigger for
war. Do you see December 8th as a trigger for war?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: This question came up yesterday, and a
senior administration official suggested that December 8th was not a
trigger; December 8th was an important date, but the senior
administration official said that some of the journalists were asking
a hypothetical squared -- that is a hypothetical American response to
a hypothetical Iraqi response on December 8th. And that was just too
much for the senior administration official to handle, so he decided
not to. That remains the case. It is a hypothetical.
Q: Sir, you said that Iraq was a test of NATO unity, and I suspect
that you would say NATO passed the test today in agreeing with the
U.N. resolution. But the bigger test looms, which is NATO stepping up
to the plate and providing capabilities for a possible conflict. What
can you tell us about that? How confident does the President leave
that he would have NATO folks stepping up to the plate should bullets
start to fly?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Bob, I think you know, and you've read
NATO documents in the past -- everything being relative, I think this
is a very strong -- a very strong -- statement. We work at 19 -- there
are 19 countries, and we operate by consensus, as my colleague said in
her briefing. And so it's often very difficult sometimes even to get
sentences that you can actually understand in the English language
they're so convoluted.
In my experience as Ambassador over the past 15 months, this is a
clear, strong statement. And what it means is that the 19 NATO
countries have not only associated themselves in full agreement with
the U.N. Security Council, I think in many ways -- because we are a
military alliance -- the statement today from the NATO allies is very
strong. Their message to Saddam Hussein is unmistakably clear that the
NATO allies are prepared to take effective action to support the
implementation of that resolution.
We consider it strong. As the leaders went around the table today --
and they had an opportunity to do this in the morning session -- after
they had their public session on enlargement, the press left and there
was a two and a half, three-hour discussion about the future of NATO,
about NATO's military transformation. But a lot of this discussion
focused on Iraq. And there was also a lunch conversation among the
leaders on Iraq. And I would say without any exception, unstinting
support for the diplomatic path the United States has taken for the
resolution, but also for the thought that diplomacy has to be backed
up by the threat of force and by the fact that countries are willing
to do what's right. And I felt that sense of urgency in the room
today.
Obviously, we're not speaking for all countries individually in saying
this, but as this Alliance goes, I think this Alliance is focused on
the threat of terrorism and weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and,
more broadly, in the world.
Q: If I can just follow, your interpretation of this statement is that
NATO now stands as one with President Bush on this ultimatum and the
consequences that will flow if the ultimatum is not met?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: There is no question about it that the
NATO Alliance stands with President Bush and the United States in what
we have said in the primacy of the U.N. Security Council resolution
and the importance of it, but also in the importance of sending a
clear, strong message from a military alliance about this problem of
disarmament in Iraq; no question at all, in my mind.
Q: Would you clarify the use of the terminology, NATO allies stand
united, instead of the NATO Alliance stands united? Does that reflect
the fact that, as you say, that all 19 members support a tough
position -- but the German Foreign Minister is walking around the hall
today saying that Germany doesn't support a military action against
Iraq under any circumstances, and therefore, wouldn't participate in
it -- and therefore, does this small word change indicate that this
will be an ad hoc alliance should there be NATO support for military
action in Iraq?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, I would just take you, Pat, into
the very first statement of the sentence: We, the 19 heads of state
and government of NATO -- and they met as NATO today, and the NATO
emblem was behind them. And then the last paragraph, "NATO allies" --
we are all allies in NATO, but I think it's unmistakable. I don't see
the difference between the first sentence and the first reference to
NATO and NATO allies. I think it's indistinguishable, myself.
Q: And the distinction with Germany's position is how does the
Alliance -- how do you characterize unity, total unity with Germany's
position?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, obviously, it is no question
that some countries in the Alliance have a different view about
aspects of this and others; there's no question, based on their public
statements, even in campaigns. But what's significant about this
statement is that a country like Germany, the United States, and all
of the other countries in between, agreed that NATO ought to take
effective action to assist and support the efforts of the U.N., full
and immediate compliance, without conditions or restrictions.
That's -- in diplomacy, that's strong language. And so I think there
is a willingness and an interest among the 19 allies to send this kind
of strong message.
Again, most of the conversation today in one way or another revolved
around the following theme, that in the past, for most of our history,
all the threats to NATO came from within Europe. Now all the threats
we can think of come from outside Europe. And so NATO has to pivot. It
has to turn and has to be willing to go out and meet those threats.
And so the conversation revolved around the kind of military
capabilities you need to do that, the U.S. idea of a response force,
which was agreed to today -- and that was a proposal that President
Bush made two months ago at the Warsaw Conference -- and I think a
very strong sense that this is a new problem, that these we have all
faced serious threats to our security before, this is a new kind of
threat and we've got to face it and present a united and strong front.
And that's what this statement represents to me as a diplomat.
If I was reading this as a diplomat and someone else had produced it,
this is a strong statement. And so we wrote it with that intention.
There was very little editing as these things go. I introduced this
statement on Tuesday afternoon, and by Wednesday morning we had it
done, with a minimal amount of editing. So there wasn't jockeying for
position. People weren't ducking for cover behind artful phrases, and
we were very gratified by that.
Q: Could you give us a bit of an historic perspective on the options
that have either been available to NATO or used by NATO that fall
under the heading of effective action?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I think as my colleague said, we are
on a diplomatic path. The President challenged the U.N. September
12th. We have succeeded in the U.N. in producing the kind of action we
wanted, the inspectors are there. And so we did not go to the NATO
allies today with a long list of requirements for military action,
because that's not where we are diplomatically. But it's very much
true that behind diplomacy has to be credibility, and that is military
strength and the political will to use that military strength if
necessary. And that's, I think, the real meaning of effective action
in this document.
Q: Would you comment put on your NSC hat. How helpful is it to have
the most populous nation in Europe with this sort of nascent and
certainly not historical pacifism?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: As with my with an NSC hat or any
other hat, I'm very gratified by Germany's having signed up to this
statement quickly and doing so, frankly, without dragging its claws or
being pushed. This was -- I was gratified, is to put it very mildly,
at the speed with which all 19 allies accepted this statement. I have
-- I did not get the sense at any point during this brief period where
this draft was out on the table that Germany's position or any other
ally's position was at such variance that a consensus would not be
possible. It became very clear that a consensus was possible.
Germany's position is well-known. And far be it from me to predict the
future, but this statement is a very strong basis on which to proceed,
however we have to proceed.
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Could I just I know you all probably
want to write your stories, but a lot else happened today, too. We're
happy to answer any questions on the Iraq statement. But I just want
to, in a very abbreviated fashion, say I think this was the most
historic NATO summit since 1949, because NATO is we essentially have
been reconstructing the old NATO and building a new one, and we're in
an entirely new strategic environment. And so that aspect of
transformation.
All of the initiatives that the U.S. put on the table today for a
response force, for command structure review, for new military
capabilities, is critical to NATO's future. And I also thought that
the enlargement decision I don't know if you listened to the Latvian
President. She gave a remarkably strong and passionate speech. And a
lot of people have been questioning NATO's relevance. I know Secretary
Powell likes to say it's hard to close the doors on a club when
everyone is knocking on the door to get in. You saw seven heads of
government, especially the Latvian President, I think, articulate for
all of them why it's so important that this military and political
organization not only continue, but continue to be America's most
important military alliance.
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: To that, I would also like to add how
struck I was how struck we all were -- listening to the discussion
around the room. Leader after leader today said that NATO enlargement
gives us the Europe whole, free and at peace that we've been dreaming
of. But there are new threats in the world and NATO has to turn to
these threats and we need the capabilities now to turn to these
threats.
And then the new, the invited members, said we need to contribute to
this; we cannot simply sit in our own happy condition and not
contribute to the Alliance. It was a remarkable and, at times, quite
moving demonstration of allied unity that came together today.
Q: If I can follow on what you said, we are NATO is a military
alliance and you say it's stronger with the enlargement. Given that we
have some metropolitan police departments with more helicopters than
the military in some of these countries we just took in, how is the
Alliance stronger militarily because of this enlargement? Is it just
the location of the countries?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I visited each of these nine countries
twice this year with an American delegation. We had 80 meetings with
the governmental leadership. We looked very carefully into their
military capabilities. We're adding about 46 million people to the
Alliance today in these nine countries -- in these seven countries,
excuse me.
Some of these countries are very effective militarily; I'll give you
an example. Romania lifted its own mechanized battalion into the
combat operation in Afghanistan in July. Romania did, in lifting its
troops to Afghanistan, what a lot of our current allies cannot do. If
you look at Romania and Bulgaria, who are both in Afghanistan, as well
as in the Balkans, look at the very small countries of the Baltics
who, eight years ago, formed a Baltic Battalion that has been serving
with us in Bosnia and Kosovo.
What has always mattered in NATO, because Iceland and Luxembourg are
charter members from 1949 -- Iceland doesn't have a military, and
Luxembourg's is about 1,500 people -- is not the size, but political
will and whether you're willing to defend each other and operate when
the chips are down.
And what really strikes, I think, both of us -- and we've been working
on this a long time through two administrations on this issue -- is
that these countries are formed by their experience of having to live
under totalitarianism. The Balts were occupied republics of the Soviet
Union, and they took their place in NATO today. And these other
countries were members of the Warsaw Pact. Two of the people at the
table today actually closed the doors on the Warsaw Pact 10 years ago
-- Vaclav Havel and President Iliescu of Romania.
So some of them are very capable militarily. Some of them are very
small and won't add a lot of military umph, but everybody plays a role
and everybody has a niche capability to offer. That Baltic battalion
is going to go to Afghanistan, and it's been in the Balkans, and we do
appreciate that.
And I think it's also -- the political dimension to this is, we're
filling a security vacuum in Central Europe and we're widening the
circle of democracies to create what my colleague has talked about --
a strategic ambition of President George H.W. Bush -- a Europe whole,
free and at peace. President Clinton and now President Bush, all of
the three American Presidents have had this vision, and now President
George W. Bush has achieved it with his NATO allies. That's a fairly
important, in diplomatic terms, historic accomplishment for our
President.
I think back to his speech in Warsaw in June of 2001. He led the
Alliance in arguing for a large enlargement, the largest we've ever
had. And he drove that decision home personally over the last year and
a half. And so I think he deserves a lot of credit personally for what
happened today.
Q: You've been very open about efforts to enlist the 19 NATO members.
You are also very open about efforts to enlist the 15 members of the
Security Council, everybody from France to Syria. Why, then, the
secrecy over this 50 or 52-list country that you're now reaching out
to for additional support against Iraq? Why not just disclose that
list?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, I don't know about the secrecy,
but it's usually a better idea when you're discussing issues of
military contributions not to do so completely publicly. We have -- to
be credible, the diplomatic track that we're now on requires us to be
prepared in the event other means prove necessary. That is going to
require planning. We would not want to get to the end of the road,
whenever or however that may be, if it comes, and wake up and find
that no planning has been done whatsoever.
One might ask a very good question in that event -- who had been
asleep? This is planning in advance of need, which is the right thing
to do. There is a difference between the kind of military discussions
that are going on and the diplomatic discussions through which an
international consensus has been developed, and developed rather
rapidly.
When I think where we were during the summer holidays on this issue
and how far we have come, I am, frankly, fairly staggered at the speed
with which the international community has coalesced around the issue.
I think I can mention something that President Kwasniewski of Poland
said today during one of the discussions -- said, the Iraq problem can
be discussed in various ways, and there are various view of what to
do, but what cannot be discussed is whether or not it is a problem. It
cannot be wished away. We must deal with it; we here at this table.
Now, I don't think that -- that was an articulate expression, but it
was hardly an atypical expression. We have moved a very long way,
frankly, under the leadership of President Bush, to create and develop
an international consensus. And it is, again, most gratifying.
Q: Can I ask two questions if that's okay? Firstly, could you give us
a little more detail on the meetings tomorrow in Saint Petersburg,
particularly with reference to whether or not Mr. Bush sees a role for
the U.S. in this notion of a political solution in Chechnya; and also
whether or not the question of oil -- a legal framework for U.S. oil
companies in Russia and the possible nationalization of the Caspian
pipeline -- whether those things will come up tomorrow?
And the second question, if that is okay, is, when NATO invoked
Article Five and then was not directly involved in the creation of a
coalition to deal with Afghanistan and the pursuit of Al Quaeda, this
was thought to undermine the credibility of NATO. At this summit in
Prague the Bush administration has launched the creation of a second
military coalition while pursuing a political agenda with NATO. Do you
think NATO now is a political organization, and that military
operations will be conducted by ad hoc coalitions?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: With respect to the first question,
President Bush will be meeting President Putin outside of Saint
Petersburg tomorrow. I think that is about -- the party will be on the
ground only a few hours, so it is a short meeting. And the model I
would look at for such meetings is Ljubljana or more Genoa -- the
shorter meetings as opposed to the full-up summits in Washington,
Crawford and in Moscow last May.
It is always dangerous and, therefore, foolish to predict what topics
will or will not come up. But the President has raised in the past
Chechnya a number of times with President Putin. They have discussed
Georgia and efforts to clean up the Pankisi of terrorist-related
elements. The President has said repeatedly that a political solution
in Chechnya is necessary. He has also said repeatedly that there is no
excuse, there is no justification for terrorism, period, full stop.
And terrorism must be condemned, terrorism must be fought.
The President has also discussed American investments in Russia in
general, energy investments in particular. In the past, he has
discussed CPC as an example of a large, important American investment.
I'm familiar with the issue you cite, but whether or not we will --
it's not a good idea to predict, so I won't do it. With respect to the
next question, NATO is a military organization, but I will let my
anonymous colleague answer that.
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Thank you. I just wanted to make a
brief comment on the last question about why these small countries are
so important. The President said something that he spoke
extemporaneously this morning at the table on enlargement, instead of
reading his text. And what he said about these seven countries is they
will refresh the spirit of the Alliance. And I think that gets to the
essence of why these countries are welcome and so important, because
they're tough-minded. They've lived in a very bad neighborhood and
they've been on the wrong end of justice President Freibergas spoke
about that, the Latvian President for about 70 years. And that's why
these countries are going to toughen our NATO Alliance and, in
essence, bring us back to the core of why we were formed in the first
place.
Your question on the relevance of the are we relevant anymore, can
NATO ever be a military organization or are we just political -- we
have 45,000 NATO troops in the Balkans right now, and those troops 14
months ago stopped a civil war in Macedonia, and three years ago
stopped Milosevic's ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, and six years ago
ended the Bosnian War, which had killed 260,000 people and left 2
million people homeless. That's a fairly significant military
contribution to peace in Europe. And NATO remains the most powerful
military alliance in the world.
What it is not is a global cop. And in Afghanistan, the President was
absolutely right strategically in forming a coalition of countries
that included Pakistan and India and Russia and Saudi Arabia, not just
the 19 NATO countries, to fight the Taliban and al Qaeda successfully,
as we did. And so NATO is not going to be the recipe for every crisis
around the world. But the fact that it exists, the fact that we have
the military capacity to enforce peace as we did in the Balkans and to
keep it, makes us the most significant military organization in the
world.
And the President said today in his he said yesterday in his speech to
the students and he said again today, NATO is America's most important
military alliance. So I think for the future I look at NATO as we have
a very heavy military responsibility to play in protecting peace in
Europe and going out to meet these new threats, but we're also a
political alliance. And so in a wider sense, beyond the 19 members and
the seven we take in today, we've got a relationship with Russia and
Ukraine, with the Central Asia and Caucasus countries. So from the
Western reaches of North America all the way across to the Russian far
east, there is one organization that unites all these countries either
as allies or partners in a military political sense. You have to have
an organization that does it, and that's NATO's role.
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: When -- actually, I need to correct a
minor detail of what my colleague said. He said that we had worked
this issue through two administrations; it's actually been three
administrations. And I remember the predictions. To put today's
decisions on enlargement in some perspective, I have to recall what
the expectations were in 1989 and 1990 during the administration of
the first President Bush for this region.
It was widely assumed by pundits, academics, thinkers and most
agencies of the United States government, that democracy in this part
of the world would fail and probably fail spectacularly and, in any
event, very quickly. Most analysts gave it six months. And if it
didn't end in collapse and chaos, there would surely be an explosion
of nationalism and a return to the relations that this countries had
the last time they were independent and fully sovereign, which was the
1930s -- not a happy picture.
Yugoslavia is, of course, the case where everything did go wrong.
Everywhere else, things went right. There are a series of dogs that
did not bark in this part of the world, conflicts that did not happen,
animosities that did not resurface.
This was not chance; it happened because the people who assumed power
after the democratic revolutions in 1989 had a sense of their moral
obligations not to repeat the past, and it also happened because NATO,
under the leadership of the United States and working with other
allies opened the doors to a Europe whole, free, and at peace. And
that was probably the most stabilizing outside influence over this
region during the past dozen years.
That has been an historic success. Europe whole, free and at peace
went from an idea and a slogan that many people dismissed in 1989 and
1990 to something we're beginning to see emerge before our eyes. In a
historical blink of a time, I had forgotten that Havel and Iliescu
were present when the Warsaw Pact formally disbanded in this city. And
they were present today. It is an historical triumph for common
ideals, and it's also a testament to the steadiness of an American
vision of -- that has lasted through three Presidents.
And at this moment, the discussion today at NATO was only partly about
this achievement, but also and at least half about the new challenges
that we face.
It's been a very good day.
(end transcript)
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