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Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD)

08 October 2002

Khalilzad: U.S. "Determined" to Disarm Iraq and Support the Iraqi People

(Senior Security Advisor Outlines U.S. Iraq Policy) (5840)
Zalmay Khalilzad, special assistant to President Bush for Near East,
South West Asian, and North African Affairs, said the United States is
determined to disarm Iraq, but that no decision on the use of force
has been made. "We don't look forward to a war with Iraq. We have no
desire for war. War is not inevitable, but action is," he said at the
Washington Institute for Near East Policy October 5.
"Should force be required," Khalilzad continued, "U.S. and coalition
forces will liberate the Iraqi people from the tyranny of Saddam
Hussein. We will not enter Iraq as conquerors. We will not treat the
Iraqi people as a defeated nation. As President Bush has said, liberty
for the Iraqi people is a great moral cause and a great strategic
goal."
"Our mission in Iraq will be to serve the interests and the hopes of
the Iraqi people. We regard them as a gifted and great people, with
ancient culture, and they, like people everywhere, deserve freedom,"
Khalilzad added.
While Iraqis work to develop democratic institutions, Khalilzad said
the U.S. will devote the necessary resources to meet immediate
humanitarian needs, maintain Iraq's territorial integrity and invest
in the reconstruction required to "put Iraq on the path to greater
economic prosperity."
"The U.S. is committed to ensuring the Iraqi people's oil patrimony
will be used to meet the economic and reconstruction needs of the
Iraqi people," he stated, adding that the international community is
also likely to assist Iraq to rebuild.
Asked if the administration would take steps to ease Iraq's debt
burden in the post-Saddam period, Khalilzad said the issue is under
discussion, but added that the United States' main short-term concern
would be meeting the humanitarian needs of Iraqis.
Following is the transcript of Zalmay Khalilzad's remarks at the
Washington Institute, October 5, as well as the exchange that took
place following his remarks.
(begin transcript)
Zalmay Khalilzad, Special Assistant to the President for Near East,
South West Asian, and North African Affairs
"The Future of Iraq Policy" Remarks at The Washington Institute's 2002
Weinberg Founders Conference October 5, 2002
I'm honored to be back at the Washington Institute. I think this is my
second visit to the Institute during the past couple months. I was at
the Institute in August talking about Iran, and I remember very fondly
my participation in various Institute activities, including retreats
like this, so I'm delighted to be back.
The subject that I want to talk about is, of course, something that's
on everyone's mind these days. I want to give you our perspective, the
administration's perspective, on where we are and what our vision is
for Iraq.
As far as the situation currently is concerned, we are of the view
that the Saddam Hussein regime is determined to retain, expand, and
again use weapons of mass destruction, and that the regime is ready to
employ such weapons, not only at home, but also abroad.
The administration is now determined to disarm Iraq one way or
another. No decision for use of force has been made. We don't look
forward to a war with Iraq. We have no desire for war. War is not
inevitable, but action is.
We are working with Congress to secure an effective resolution that
ensures that the president has the options possible to deal with the
threat that Saddam Hussein poses. And, similarly, we are working with
U.N. to secure an effective resolution that will end Saddam's defiance
of the U.N. Security Council resolutions and to disarm the regime.
We believe that Saddam Hussein is in material breach of his
commitments to the United Nations. We believe he threatens regional
and global stability. He does that through terrorism, he does that
through holding his country hostage and using the resources of his
country for building weapons of mass destruction and missiles to
deliver them.
In order to avoid the use of force, Saddam must take the actions
necessary -- not words, but actions necessary to comply with all U.N.
Security Council resolutions. But our position is -- and I want to
repeat -- that one way or another, one way or another this threat will
be dealt with, and dealt with in short order.
Should force be required, U.S. and coalition forces will liberate the
Iraqi people from the tyranny of Saddam Hussein. We will not enter
Iraq as conquerors. We will not treat the Iraqi people as a defeated
nation. As President Bush has said, liberty for the Iraqi people is a
great moral cause and a great strategic goal.
Our mission in Iraq will be to serve the interests and the hopes of
the Iraqi people. We regard them as a gifted and great people, with
ancient culture, and they, like people everywhere, deserve freedom.
Our objective for the long term in Iraq would be to establish a
broad-based representative and democratic government, a government
that will renounce terror and weapons of mass destruction, respect
international laws and norms, give all religious and ethnic groups a
voice, adhere to the rule of law, no weapons of mass destruction, and
become an example of peace and tolerance for the region as a whole.
In the short term, however, we will reunify Iraq, because at the
present time Iraq is not united, is not unified, and maintain its
territorial integrity.
We will meet the humanitarian needs of the Iraqi people. We will start
immediately a major reconstruction program and put Iraq on the path to
greater economic prosperity.
It's our desire, it's our objective, it's our plan to have plans in
place before we use force, before the use of force becomes necessary
on each of these issues that I talked about.
We understand, however, that the challenge of building such an Iraq is
a major one. The costs will be significant. We will work with the
Iraqi people in developing detailed plans, and they will play a
significant role in shaping those plans.
We are optimistic about the contribution that the Iraqi people can
make. Iraq has an educated and industrious population. It is endowed
with great natural wealth. It has a history of law, scholarship, and
culture.
And we are, and we believe a significant portion of the international
community is prepared to help.
With regard to future challenges, specifically we believe that three
sets of challenges would lie ahead. First, there will be the political
reconstruction of Iraq. This will involve thorough reform of the
government, debadizing (phonetic) Iraq, removing those elements used
by Saddam to enforce his tyranny on the Iraqi people. Officials found
guilty of crimes against humanity will be prosecuted.
The larger issue of transitional justice will be settled by the Iraqi
people.
With regard to economic reconstruction, the economy, too, will need to
be reformed to put Iraq on the path to prosperity. The U.S. is
committed to ensuring the Iraqi people's oil patrimony will be used to
meet the economic and reconstruction needs of the Iraqi people.
With regard to security reconstruction, Iraq's international borders
will be protected and respected. Security inside Iraq will be
critical. The violence inflicted by Saddam on Iraq's people has left
serious scars. These problems need to be resolved by a reformed Iraqi
judicial system, not by gun. Iraq after Saddam will have the rule of
law, not the rule of gun.
Iraqis themselves are already working on these complex issues. The
U.S. Government future of Iraq project has been working on these
issues for some time. Mixed groups that represent the rich variety of
the Iraqi people are participating in these efforts.
Sixteen groups are examining issues critical for Iraq's future after
Saddam. They have been held back from participating -- many Iraqis
have been held back from participating in such activities by Saddam's
regime, a regime which has chosen to waste Iraq's resources on
miscalculated military adventures, palaces, and paying the families of
suicide bombers.
As I said before, transforming Iraq will not be easy. It will take
time, and it will involve costs, costs for the United States as well.
We believe, the president believes that this cost is worth paying.
If we succeed, as we are determined to, we would achieve a great deal.
We would eliminate the WMD threat from Iraq. We would decrease the
threat that Iraq poses to regional peace and stability, and in
transforming Iraq, we would take a significant step in the direction
of the longer-term need to transform this functional region as a
whole.
Thank you very much. (Applause.)
 Question and Answer
Mr. Goldman: Zal, thank you very much. I think it is very important
that the administration does what you're trying to do today, which is
begin to lay out your objectives and how you will reach them in Iraq.
And I thank you for coming here this morning and beginning this
process.
I'd like to just open up a session. I see lots of hands, but I'm going
to take my prerogative just to ask what I think is, at least the
obvious logical question which emerges from the beginning of your
presentation, where you said to avoid the use of force, Saddam Hussein
must take action to comply with all U.N. SCR's, and then you went
through a very important presentation about what our objectives would
be if we do pursue the use of force.
If Saddam does begin to take action to implement -- to comply with the
U.N. SCR's, does this obviate everything else that you have been
talking about? Does it obviate the need to liberate the Iraqi people?
Does that become any less of an objective if there are measures taken
on the U.N. SCR's?
Mr. Khalilzad: Let me say two things to that. One, we are very
skeptical that he would -- not only in word, but in deed, would comply
with all the U.N. Security Council resolutions. We're very skeptical
that he would.
But should the miraculous, the unexpected, the unlikely happen, we
would pursue these objectives, continue to pursue them, but it would
not necessitate the immediate use of force, the near-term use of
force. We would pursue those objectives by other means then.
Those objectives remain valid -- would remain valid, but I have to
tell you our judgment is, our considered judgment is that he's
unlikely to comply. He's unlikely to meet the standards of compliance
that would be required by him as far as we are concerned.
Mr. Goldman: Thank you very much. I'm going to go around the room. I
have a bunch of names on my list. Pat Clawson on my left from the
Institute?
Patrick Clawson: Zal, you laid out a very important and positive
vision of this reconstruction of Iraq and how much it's going to be in
the Iraqi people's interests that the United States is going to be
acting.
Let me push you, though, a little bit on one issue that you raised,
which, if I understood you, you said that the Iraqi people's oil
patrimony will be used to meet the reconstruction needs of the Iraqi
people.
Right now a quarter of Iraqi oil export proceeds goes for compensation
payments, and there remains $160 billion in claims for compensation
payments, which Iraq is obligated to pay.
Furthermore, there has been talk that, in part, to secure the
cooperation of, let's say, the Russian or perhaps the French
Government, that we may make some promises about the repayment to
those countries of Iraq's debt to those countries. Iraq's total
foreign debt totals at least $80 billion.
Well, if we add this all together, that's some $240 billion that Iraq
could be on the hook to pay.
What is your vision of whether or not we're going to continue to
insist that Iraq make these kind of payments, or are we going to push
for some kind of new terms for the post-Saddam Iraq?
Mr. Khalilzad: The overarching objective governing our deliberations
and discussions with others on this issue would be to have the maximum
amount of resources possible available to help the Iraqi people. The
humanitarian and reconstruction needs, the frozen assets would be --
primarily the focus would be to direct them toward that objective.
Now, there are those claims, as you said. There are various
possibilities that we are considering, we're deliberating on. It is
possible that as a gesture of good will towards this new Iraq, some
debts would have to be forgiven, some claims would have to be
reprioritized.
But the emphasis on our part would be to meet the needs of the people.
That would be at the top of the list. And I'm not here to offer a
blueprint on exactly what the percentages will be at this time, but we
are very much focused on this, and we're working hard on this.
But I wanted to send the message out that that would be the priority,
as far as we are concerned.
Mr. Goldman: Thank you. Trudy Rubin from the Philadelphia Inquirer on
my right, right there.
Trudy Rubin: I wonder if you could expand a little bit on your
comments about establishing a representative government in Iraq after
-- in a post-Saddam era.
Does the United States believe that a transition government should be
established in advance? As you know, some opposition leaders are
complaining that the U.S. doesn't want this. Should there be one Hamid
Karzai? Should the leadership come from inside or outside? Is the
Japan model correct or totally out of line?
And one other issue you raised was territorial integrity. Can you tell
me what plans the United States has to prevent Turkish troops from
going in en masse to prevent Kurds from coming into Kirkuk, and do you
believe that there are clear understandings that the Kurds would not
go into Kirkuk?
Mr. Goldman: Trudy, you just got in 19 questions. I was counting.
(Applause.)
Mr. Goldman: Now, normally we have a ten-question rule. (Laughter.)
But let's try to keep it down to one or maybe two. Zal?
Mr. Khalilzad: Which ones? Will you tell me which of them  -- 
Mr. Goldman: He gets to pick which one he wants to answer.
Mr. Khalilzad: You're sure you want me to do that? Well, as far as the
government, I told that our long-term vision would be a representative
democratic government. It may be that we will get to that through some
phases, and there may be a role for a coalition to administer Iraq, to
prepare for the subsequent phases that Iraq would have to go through
to be ready in terms of security and other requirements for a
democratically elected government.
We are working on this, we are deliberating on this, we are talking to
others, we're talking to Iraqis. But we will move on this
deliberately.
Iraq is different than Afghanistan, so the recipe of Afghanistan, what
was done there -- there are lessons to be learned from it, clearly,
from what was done in Afghanistan. But it doesn't mean we would have
to follow -- it doesn't mean that we would follow exactly the same
model.
If I had to pick one question, I'll do that. But with regard -- let me
say one other thing on the territorial thing. The coalition will
assume -- and the preferred option -- responsibility for the
territorial defense and security of Iraq after liberation. So there is
no room for any -- there would be no room for any of the scenarios
that you have referred to. And, of course, there will be diplomatic
and other steps that will be taken to make sure there is a broad
understanding and agreement on that.
Mr. Goldman: Let me be more precise about one point, and the one
question.
Mr. Khalilzad: Yes.
Mr. Goldman: Is the presumption that there will be a successor
government, an alternative government, already waiting in the wings on
the eve of any military action?
Mr. Khalilzad: Well, that's a possibility, but I think it's more
likely that there would have to be liberation first, and then a
government put in place, or put together of the Iraqis.
But we are deliberating, we're talking, we're considering. You know,
there are pros and cons to these various options.
But the message that I want to give, and the president, more
importantly, his commitment is that this will be a liberation. That
our intent is not conquest and occupation of Iraq. But we will do what
needs to be done to achieve the disarmament mission and to get Iraq
ready for a democratic transition and then through democracy over
time.
But as far as the exact steps, I don't want to go further than what I
have said at this point.
Mr. Goldman: Okay, that's fair enough. Ze'ev, Max, and Barbara?
Ze'ev Schiff: To Zal, let me tell you that I am more confused now than
ever before, because the signals which we get from the administration
are really confusing. If I understood well your address, is that there
were two major sentences there, although you spoke later on about
liberation. One sentence is that we are determined to get rid of, in
one way or another, of the weapons of mass destruction. This is a key
sentence.
Mr. Khalilzad: Right.
Ze'ev Schiff: One way or another means that also through the
inspection. Let us say that the inspectors are going in and they will
say, yes, as they said it in '91, that no nuclear plants anymore.
The second sentence was, actually, that war is not unavoidable.
I mean, if you are taking these two sentences, the meaning is that if
the inspectors will go in and will say there's no reason for a way,
that we are dismantling the weapons of mass destruction, how can you
go and liberate them? From what?
And if Saddam will decide tomorrow to give in -- to dismantle the
weapons of mass destruction, is he going to stay? What is your answer?
Mr. Khalilzad: Well, first of all, Ze'ev, it's nice to see you.
(Laughter.)
Mr. Khalilzad: Second of all, I think you -- the way that we think
this is, is that we are of the view that disarming Iraq is extremely
unlikely without regime change.
We believe that Saddam Hussein, his whole history indicates that he's
very attached to weapons of mass destruction. I think as he declares,
that he will allow inspectors to come back unconditionally, he is
planning how he will deceive them, how he'll hide weapons.
I was merely referring to a theoretical possibility, maybe with some
probability -- and I'm sure people may have differing views -- that,
yes, miraculously, he might change his spots. I'm not a believer in
that myself, but that he would abandon what he has treasured for so
long, and I assume if he does that, there is a way that one might
proceed. But we are very skeptical of that.
But in order to be prepared for the more likely scenario, we are
taking certain steps, and we are determined -- since we are determined
to disarm Iraq, and we believe that liberation is the way to do it,
because we think otherwise it isn't going to happen, I have said what
I have said.
But it's possible that as we get these resolutions from Congress, and
we hope from the U.N., and as we take some other steps, that that
could help compel the regime to cooperate, or changes might come about
in Iraq as a result of what people might perceive, the inevitability
of liberation unless certain steps are taken.
With regard to Saddam staying in power and so on, I think I regard
that as an unlikely outcome of where we are. I think it may be already
too late.
But there is a way that war could be avoided, yes. There is a way that
war could be avoided. But I think Saddam and the avoidance of war, I
don't know whether that is -- whether we are not past that.
Mr. Goldman: Max Boot in the center, erstwhile of The Wall Street
Journal, now of the Council on Foreign Relations?
Max Boot: Thank you, Rob. I, too, have a lot of questions. I will try
to confine myself to one or two and let others handle the rest.
I, of course, applaud your plans announced for establishing
representative government in Iraq. But I would be curious to --
Mr. Goldman: The audio's not on here? Speak right into it.
Mr. Boot: Okay. I, too, applaud -- I, of course, applaud your plan to
establish democracy and representative government in Iraq. I would be
curious to hear what the reaction of our so-called friends in the
region, such as Saudi Arabia, is to such a plan.
I would also be curious to hear your estimate of what size occupation,
or, if you prefer, security force would be necessary, and for what
period of time, to establish the secure environment that you outlined.
And the third optional question has to do with indicting Saddam
Hussein for war crimes, and I'm curious why we haven't sought such an
indictment up until now.
Mr. Khalilzad: We are in dialogue with friends about the future of
Iraq, about Iraq. We believe that we will get the necessary assistance
that we would need to do what needs to be done here.
We have the flexibility necessary. I think we will have it in time.
As far as the views on Iraq, how it ought to be, well, I'm sure
different countries may have different views. I have expressed what
our view is, and will, if it comes to that, will work very hard to
convince our partners of the wisdom of this approach.
Again, we're of the view that we will have the support necessary to
implement -- move forward with the kind of vision that I talk about.
Now, on the side of the force necessary to maintain security in Iraq
should we come to that, I don't have any numbers to announce right
now. But we will have what we would need to have. I mean, we would
have the commitment of resources necessary, and we would have the will
to stay for as long as necessary to do the job.
This will be a major strategic commitment, and we will see it through
should it come to that.
Mr. Goldman: Thank you. Barbara Slavin of -- I'm sorry? Oh, Saddam war
crimes.
Mr. Khalilzad: Yes, thank you. We have information collected and
people have been generating names and lists with regard to people that
would have to face justice, and there will be a judicial process to
deal with those people.
Mr. Goldman: Barbara Slavin, U.S.A. Today?
Ms. Slavin: Good morning. Is your reluctance to promise that there
would be a successor government ready to go in partly caused by your
desire to hold out incentives for senior Iraqis to defect, perhaps,
and look forward to positions in a post-Saddam government? Is that why
you're being a little coy about this question?
And I also have an Iran-related question. There was a statement
recently from one of the senior Iranian military leaders suggesting
that if U.S. forces accidentally went into Iranian air space in
pursuit of a campaign against Iraq, that would be okay with Iran.
And I wonder, once again, whether they're sending us any signals
through other channels? I thought it was rather unusual that they
would do this in a public way.
Thank you.
I'm not going to comment on messages from Iran from other channels,
but let me say that we regard that statement to be positive.
We think that  -- 
Mr. Goldman: But you're not going to comment on it. (Laughter.)
Mr. Khalilzad: On the other channels.
Mr. Goldman: Oh, the other channels.
Mr. Khalilzad: Right. So the statement is positive. We think that the
kind of Iraq that I talk about is in Iran's interest, in the region's
interest. And we hope that Iran would take necessary steps to help the
process, to be constructive in its policies with regard to Iraq, and
beyond. We continue to have other concerns with regard to Iran, as you
know.
With regard to being coy on the government, actually, it's a touch
issue. It's not easy. Putting a government now together, you know,
would put emphasis on certain things, on certain groups, and it may
create tensions, problems, because people fight over kind of chairs,
desks, ministries, other positions and so on. And there may be others
who we don't yet know enough about.
So it's not -- it's a really hard thing to do. But there may be
tactical considerations of the kind that you talked about, but
strategically we want to put a government together that represents
Iraq, but the Iraqis have a process for that.
And we are not there now, we are not there yet. And I'm not saying
exactly when we will get there. We will get there when we get there.
But we're working on it.
But there is no desire for running Iraq indefinitely, or conquest or
occupation. That's not what we're about. But we also want to do it
right.
And as I said, you know, some of the lessons of Afghanistan are sort
of forming the sort of issues of timing and so forth.
So I don't know how good an answer that is, but that's the best that I
can do at this time.
Mr. Goldman: Neah Rosenwald, Jonathan Davidson, Bob Lieber, quickly --
brief questions, please. We'll try to get in as many as possible.
Neah Rosenwald: Thank you. As part of reconstruction effort in your
areas, I was wondering if it would be at all possible for you to
consider, for example, a presidential initiative in education in the
Near East and North Africa as an answer to Madrases (phonetic) which
are there where they pay you to go, and really to upgrade literacy
throughout the area, particularly for women.
Mr. Khalilzad: Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely. I mean, we've
already talked about that. We will talk more about that. And with
regard to Iraq specifically, of course, there would have to an
examination of the curriculum and the needs. There will be, I'm sure,
educational reform, and there will be a significant -- if we go that
route, a focus on education.
I have to say that in Iraq, one of the positive things about Iraq is
the situation of women. It's been generally better than -- and,
therefore, one of the hopeful things about Iraq is that women have
done better. And we want to make sure that that's enhanced further,
and there's no retreat.
But we are working on a broader vision and strategy for the region as
a whole, and Iraq is a key element in a long-term strategy for the
transformation of this region as a whole, because the way the things
that have been have not been good, obviously. We all know that, having
focused on this region for a long time.
But we understand the complexities and it's going to take a long time.
But education certainly is key, and this is of particular interest to
this president, as you know, given the campaign.
Mr. Goldman: Jonathan Davidson in the back from the European Union?
Mr. Davidson: Thank you. One question. The administration's made clear
that you want the broadest possible and the strongest possible
international support.
Mr. Khalilzad: Right.
Mr. Davidson: The president made a powerful speech on September the
12th.
Mr. Khalilzad:Right.
Mr. Davidson: Active diplomacy to get a union resolution.
Mr. Khalilzad: Right.
Mr. Davidson: One question with two parts. To what extent can you
compromise to get a powerful resolution?
And failing a resolution -- which is clearly possible; it's possible
that may not secure the necessary strong statement from the U.N. --
there are other ways of demonstrating broad international legitimacy.
Kosovo is one clear example.
Mr. Khalilzad: Right.
Mr. Davidson: What will the administration do to demonstrate the
broadest possible measure of international legitimacy for the action,
failing a powerful and clear U.N. Security Council resolution?
Mr. Khalilzad: Well, we obviously -- a preferred option is to have a
strong U.N. resolution and the broadest possible coalition to enforce
it, should enforcement become necessary.
But we have said that, one way or another, we're going to deal with
this, and we would seek a coalition -- we would have a coalition, a
broad coalition, in my judgment, to do what needs to be done with or
without the right resolution.
But I have to say that we want the right resolution. That's our very
much -- we're working on that. You know, Secretary Powell and others
are spending a lot of time on this. And that's the preferred course.
But we're not going to allow the situation to continue the way it has
been for the past several years because we don't get the right
resolution from the Security Council. That's just not on.
I think the determination is there to deal with this problem, and that
we would have a coalition and work on a coalition. And I'm convinced,
you know, focusing on this day in and day out, a significant large
coalition in either case. Maybe the numbers will be slightly
different, but we will have a major coalition, yes.
Mr. Lieber: So your message at the beginning of your talk to the Iraqi
people is very important, and presumably it foreshadows what the
president will say in a couple of days.
Mr. Goldman: At least we hope.
Mr. Lieber: Yeah. But my question specifically is, what is being done
to communicate that message effectively to the Iraqi population as
well as more widely within the region?
It seems to me a very important step, and the question is, what's
being done inthat regard?
Mr. Khalilzad: Well, the president has spoken on this before. I think
if you go back to the State of the Union address and subsequent
statements, with regard not only to Iraq, but to the region as a
whole, Iran and so on, it's been a consistent theme of his, that --
you know, I said that, I think, in my previous appearance at the
Washington Institute in August with regard to Iran, that those of us
who remember the campaign, that, you know, when the president was
talking about education at home, that, you know, everybody has to be
sort of kept to the same standard.
And he believes this strongly, that, you know, we can't say, well, the
Middle Easterners or X or Y because of religion, or because of culture
or race, and so on, they can't become kind of democratic.
He really genuinely believes that, that everyone has that potential.
So, therefore, he has been talking about this.
Now, regarding getting this message out to the Iraqis, I'm here today,
and I hope this will get out. I don't know whether we have VOA and
others here. But we will be more active in terms of, you know, getting
the message out.
You know, everything in its time, so -- and we've done a lot of
thinking, and it's taken time. These things are not easy. And now we
feel, you know, that we're comfortable enough with where we are to be
able to talk about it the way I have here, so -- and we will clearly
communicate this increasingly to the Iraqi people, yes.
Mr. Goldman: In the center, Professor Lewis?
Mr. Khalilzad: Bernard Lewis?
Mr. Goldman: Yes.
Mr. Khalilzad: My God.
Mr. Goldman: The microphone is coming right behind you.
Mr. Khalilzad: I should leave the room now, I think.
Bernard Lewis: Is this working now?
Mr. Goldman: Yes, please.
Bernard Lewis: Thank you. I want to go off the question relating to
the provisional arrangements, the transitional arrangements, perhaps.
Mr. Khalilzad: Right.
Bernard Lewis: And I wondered how much importance you would attach to
the northern zone, the free zone in the north of Iraq, which has
approximately one-fifth of the territory and one-fifth of the
population of that country, and also the INC, the Iraqi National
Congress, which could be the nucleus of a provisional government.
There was a proposal some years ago for a provisional government of
Iraq in the north. Do you see any possibilities in this line? Thank
you.
Mr. Khalilzad: Well, first of all, it's good to see you, Professor
Lewis. I think clearly forces in northern Iraq, in Iraqi Kurdistan,
and INC, the umbrella organization, are important elements of the
scene in Iraq, and they will play an important role in Iraq's future.
As far as the formation of a provisional government, we're not -- you
know, that's a possibility, but I'd say we're not there yet, for the
reasons I talked about earlier, that there is an issue of, isn't it
better to do it later once the liberation has taken place, and you've
got conditions -- security conditions and other conditions appropriate
for a group such as the ones that you've talked about and others
representing Iraq to take over.
My own judgment is that it may be better to wait than to do it now.
That would be my view.
But those are certainly options. And in any case, I think those groups
will play an important role. The question is when and in what sort of
a structure, and I'm not in a position to say we've got a formula that
defines that in detail for the pre-liberation phase or in the
immediate liberation period. I think it's best to engage those once
liberation has occurred.
That's my own judgment.
Mr. Goldman: I have lots of questions that people want to ask. I'm not
going to be able to get a chance to call on everybody. I'm very sorry
about that.
Because our next panel, in fact, is going to be a panel that assesses
precisely what you had to say.
Mr. Khalilzad: Right.
Mr. Goldman: So there will be a lot of opportunity to ask  -- 
Mr. Khalilzad: Today or later?
Mr. Goldman: I would hope that you would stay  -- 
Mr. Khalilzad: Okay.
Mr. Goldman: -- so you can be part of this discussion.
Mr. Khalilzad: All right.
Mr. Goldman: So I'm going to have to apologize to Asham Janeen,
Michael Morafik, Natan Ester, and there's at least half a dozen other
people on my list.
This is clearly, Zal -- I think you have clearly laid out a very
important and provocative set of principles that it's important to get
out there in the discussion now. And on behalf of all of us at the
Institute, I want to thank you very much for coming out and doing this
this morning. (Applause.)
Mr. Goldman: And we look forward to hearing the feedback of the
questions in the president's remarks on Monday evening.
Mr. Khalilzad: Thank you.
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