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Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD)

USIS Washington File

13 February 1998

TRANSCRIPT: COHEN MEETS PRESS WITH RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINISTER

(Cohen and Sergeyev hold joint press conference 2/12) (2520)
Moscow -- "Iraq is important, but our relationship [with Russia] and
its depth and importance extend far beyond Iraq itself," Secretary of
Defense Cohen remarked at a joint press conference February 12 with
Russian Federation Minister of Defense Marshal Igor Sergeyev.
Sergeyev said of the problem of Iraq, "Of course, first of all, it is
a political sphere of discussion and decisions. I should say that our
basic position on the necessity of implementation of the UN Security
Council resolution was similar, we had the same position. While the
means to achieve that goal are a little bit different so far.
"I expressed my opinion on the ways of and matters of compromises. How
the resolution of the UN Security Council can be achieved politically
and diplomatically and of course we will [inaudible] the possible
consequences of the possible strikes against Iraq. My conclusion is
that our dialogue, our talks have a constructive nature, and we base
our positions on the basis of cooperation and mutual understanding."
Cohen stated emphatically, "Let me state it very clearly: His
statement, which was very direct and candid, came as no surprise to
me. And I want everyone to understand that I had the full opportunity
to express my own thoughts in response, and I appreciate having the
opportunity to do that."
Cohen elaborated further, "There was a fundamental agreement that
Saddam Hussein must obey and fulfill all of the UNSCOM resolutions,
the Security Council resolutions. There is no disagreement on that
whatsoever, even though there remains a disagreement of how we achieve
that end."
Ratification of START II, talks on START III, and the enlargement of
the North Atlantic Treaty Organization were also discussed in his
meeting with Marshal Sergeyev, Secretary Cohen mentioned in the joint
press conference.
Following is a transcript of the press conference; it was cleared by
Secretary Cohen's party and released by United States Information
Service in Moscow:
(Begin transcript)
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE
JOINT PRESS CONFERENCE
U.S. SECRETARY OF DEFENSE WILLIAM S. COHEN AND
RUSSIAN FEDERATION MINISTER OF DEFENSE MARSHAL IGOR SERGEYEV
MARSHALL SERGEYEV: I would like to say that we have had a very
fruitful discussion on a wide range of questions, and I would like to
mention that yesterday was a remarkable day. Exactly 53 years ago the
Yalta Conference completed its work at which the top leaders of
governments of the Soviet Union and the United States of America and
Great Britain agreed on the post-war world border. And since that
time, both the United States of America and Russia have been playing a
vital role in preserving peace in the world. And in many cases it is
based upon the mutual relations between the United States of America
and Russia both at those times and now.
So the range of questions we have discussed today was very wide. First
of all, these were problems of nuclear disarmament. We talked about
the results of START I, the implementation. We have discussed
[inaudible] questions which required solution for the implementation
of this treaty. We have also talked on the process and on the
situation as far as the START II treaty ratification is concerned. We
have had a detailed discussion on the obstacles which prevent this
ratification. We have also dwelt on questions pertaining to START III
and missile defense treaties. I think that we not only listened to
each other, we also heard each other. And I think that we have reached
a certain degree of mutual understanding on the greater part of the
questions.
We have discussed the [inaudible] of European security, peacekeeping
operations and the situation of today and plans for 1998, the problem
of Bosnia Herzegovina, and problems of joint permanent council and the
problems of its activization; and of course we could not ignore the
problems, the questions of the problem of Iraq. Of course, first of
all, it is a political sphere of discussion and decisions. I should
say that our basic position on the necessity of implementation of the
UN Security Council resolution was similar, we had the same position.
While the means to achieve that goal are a little bit different so
far. I expressed my opinion on the ways of and matters of compromises.
How the resolution of the UN Security Council can be achieved
politically and diplomatically and of course we will [inaudible] the
possible consequences of the possible strikes against Iraq. My
conclusion is that our dialogue, our talks have a constructive nature,
and we base our positions on the basis of cooperation and mutual
understanding.
SECRETARY COHEN: Marshal Sergeyev, let me take this opportunity to
thank you for hosting this meeting. Let me say for the benefit of all
who are here that our meeting had a good opening and a great closing.
I am told that there was some perception on the part of some that
Minister Sergeyev in some way surprised me with a statement about
Iraq. Let me state it very clearly: His statement, which was very
direct and candid, came as no surprise to me. And I want everyone to
understand that I had the full opportunity to express my own thoughts
in response, and I appreciate having the opportunity to do that. As
you may have gathered, we have spent the last two and a half hours
exploring a variety of issues, as Marshal Sergeyev has just outlined,
that are much deeper and broader than the simple matter of one issue.
Iraq is important, but our relationship and its depth and importance
extend far beyond Iraq itself.
Let me also say that over the past 25 years I have had an opportunity
to attend many such sessions. None that I have attended have been as
candid and as cooperative and as mutually satisfying, I think, as this
one. I believe that Senator Warner and Senator Levin would also agree
this has been an extremely productive session. We have many issues
that we discussed in addition to Iraq. There was a fundamental
agreement that Saddam Hussein must obey and fulfill all of the UNSCOM
resolutions, the Security Council resolutions. There is no
disagreement on that whatsoever, even though there remains a
disagreement of how we achieve that end. But I felt very good, very
satisfied that it was one of the most productive, if not the most
productive, session that I have had of this nature in the past 24-25
years of public service.
Just one final word. While it's very important in how this crisis is
resolved, let me once again point out that the nature of the
relationship between the United States and Russia is one that
transcends this issue, important as it is; that our relationship
depends upon having a wide variety of issues, of interests to our
societies and to global security. And so we intend to build upon the
strong friendship that we have, upon our military-to-military
contacts, upon exploring and expanding, upon the full panoply of
issues that our countries have a vital interest in. So it was a very
good meeting, and I think all of us leave this meeting with the
encouragement to have many more in the future.
QUESTION: The question about NATO eastward expansion; was it discussed
during your talks?
COHEN: Yes.
SERGEYEV: I was glad to hear that your Senate has different positions
on the involvement of new NATO member countries. I heard that there is
a position of moratorium on the invitation of new countries into the
NATO. Naturally, we are pleased with such a position, and we hope that
it is not the position of one man in the Senate.
COHEN: I thought that your question being as brief as it was deserved
a brief answer, but let me elaborate just a moment. Senator Warner
does, in fact, have a somewhat different view than other members have
perhaps, but he can speak for himself in a moment. He did indicate
that he believes there should be some period between the first
accession of the three new members who are likely and we expect to be
ratified for accession to NATO and the next round. Whether that view
is shared widely in the United States Senate remains to be seen. But
it was one example of whereby a member of the Senate can indicate very
openly and candidly his opinion and indicate to Marshal Sergeyev the
nature of that opinion, and it was very warmly received by the
Marshal.
QUESTION: Mr. Secretary, the Marshal spoke of potential compromises on
the Iraq issue, and that you discussed several of them. Could both of
you gentlemen explain to us perhaps what types of compromises might be
acceptable?
SERGEYEV: Compromises can be admitted if they do not concern matters
of principle. Our point of view is that this process should meet only
a peaceful solution. The main purpose is to achieve the final goal.
The final goal is the implementation of the UN Security Council
resolution, but to achieve that goal, different measures can be
applied. For example ...
[Inaudible discussion among other attendees.]
QUESTION: Marshal Sergeyev, I know how committed you have been
personally to working with the United States to draw down the nuclear
forces and end the Cold War's nuclear nightmare, and that's what
Secretary Cohen's visit is about. America's nuclear commander is with
him, General Habiger. Were you suggesting that on that particular
question that Iraq in some way, if the strikes were to take place,
could compromise the ability to continue working effectively on the
nuclear front?
SERGEYEV: I do not admit any idea of nuclear weapons employment or any
mass destruction weapons employment. We can hardly imagine what the
consequences would be -- probably you watched TV yesterday -- there
was some report on expert analysis of what would happen in case
strikes are delivered and chemical agents or gases are dispersed. The
cloud would affect the territories of Azerbaijan, Iran, Turkmenistan,
and Kyrgyz[stan]. That would hurt our relations. That would draw our
relations many years back. So we have no common border with Iraq, but
in case of chemical weapons that doesn't matter. The results would be
very hazardous for our relations.
QUESTION: If I may [inaudible] Secretary Cohen in a parallel part of
that which is I think that this has been critical to everything the
United States is about since the end of the Cold War to organize
relations on the nuclear front. How important is that? How do you
balance these issues when you worry about the reactions here and
continuing progress with nuclear disarmament?
COHEN: First of all, as you may recall, Saddam Hussein has maintained
he has no chemical or biological weapons and so the threat of the
cloud spreading over much of the area would seem to be contradictory
in terms of his claims. Secondly, we are very much aware of any
potentiality for that and have taken that into account. The third
point is that we place a very high importance upon our relationship
with Russia, and we believe that the steps that we have been able to
take together to reduce these weapons, strategic weapons, have been
very very significant.
I am here today at Marshal Sergeyev's invitation to find out ways in
which we can go even further in START III to reduce -- ratifying START
II and then going further in START III to reduce to much lower levels.
So we place a very high premium [on ratification of START II]. But I
will come back to the central point.
If there is a fear that chemical weapons could be released against
innocent people, all the more reason why we must be absolutely adamant
in demanding that Saddam... [inaudible]... far ranging from his
borders. So that's the reason why we are so determined to rid his
country of these weapons of mass destruction based upon his past
behavior, where he has in fact used them against his own people,
against Iranians, and the threat to use them against others. That is
why we have the same goal, the mutual goal of eliminating his weapons
of mass destruction.
QUESTION: Will the United States get permission from the UN Security
Council.... Are we able to convince you how dangerous it is for you to
use this kind of strength?
COHEN: With respect to seeking further authority from the security
council, it's the United States' position that we have all the
authority necessary to take action under the existing resolutions. We
have indicated in the past that to the extent that the Security
Council wished to declare Saddam Hussein to be in significant or
material breach of his obligations that would be welcome, but it is
not a requirement for the United States to take action. It's our
belief also, that to the extent that there is solidarity of expression
that condemns Saddam Hussein for failing to measure up to his
obligations, that that condemnation and that declaration of
significant breach of obligation on his part will be the most
significant factor in persuading him that a diplomatic solution should
be pursued, that he should open up his country to inspections without
restriction, without hindrance.
The second part of the question is I came here to explain on a variety
of issues the U.S. position and with respect to Iraq to explain the
U.S. position. I expected Minister Sergeyev to explain Russia's
position. I think we each have a better understanding of our
respective positions. We continue to disagree, in terms of the method
of achieving what is a shared ultimate goal that is full, undiluted
compliance on the part of Saddam Hussein with his obligation to the
UN.
QUESTION: A question to both Secretary of Defense Cohen and Marshal
Sergeyev. Could we get your comment with the published report in the
Washington Post today, that the governments of Russia and Iraq in 1995
signed a deal for the delivery of so-called dual-use equipment that
could be used to produce biological weapons?
MARSHAL SERGEYEV: I am sure that there was no such agreement because
this agreement could not be reached. We had no intentions, we had no
plans to reach such an agreement. The existing technologies and
delivery means do not permit such a thing. Also the SCUD missiles that
Iraq has in its armed forces do not permit to do that because the
warheads used in SCUD missiles are not detached from the bodies of
these missiles. I am sure the experts on both sides realize that
fairly well. Thank you.
COHEN: I have no information to confirm the report that was in the
Washington Post today, and you have heard Minister Sergeyev flatly
contradict the contents of that report to the extent that he
understands it. He has not had the benefit, to my knowledge, of
reading the details of that report, and if further information is
required, I'm sure that Minister Sergeyev and others will respond
accordingly.
Thank you.
(End transcript)




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