That was the basic question. Most of the people welcomed this decision. But at the same time, while criticising this decision, people have not taken the reference of the previous history of this country. I have got some records with me. When the similar test was undertaken by China in the year 1964, at that time, the then Prime Minister, late Shri Shastri said:"India was the first country to foresee military use of nuclear energy simultaneously with its entry into the select club."
At that time, China had said:
"It detonated its first atomic bomb in 1964 that it would not be the first use of nuclear weapon but hold them in reserves foreign counter attack."
Thereafter, it is very important to note, during the Lok Sabha Debates on Foreign Affairs in November 1964, Members from different parties including some Congressmen had demanded a change in the Government's Atom Bomb Policy. So, that was the demand from some of the Members of Congress party also that this country should have the atom bomb.
While reacting to this, sharing the concerns of the Members of the Chinese blasts, Shri Shastri said:
"The Government's present stand should not be regarded as a permanent one. No Government could afford to have a static approach to this problem."
This straightaway indicates that, this question was posed or was open to the Government. Why I am explaining it is that while criticising this Government, most of the hon. Members of this august House persistently raised this question as to what was the necessity of these tests... (Interruptions)
MR. SPEAKER: Shri Madhukar Sirpotdar, please conclude
SHRI MADHUKAR SIRPOTDAR (MUMBAI NORTH-WEST): What is this, Sir? Then I will sit down like this?
MR. SPEAKER: We have to accommodate others also.
SHRI MADHUKAR SIRPOTDAR (MUMBAI NORTH-WEST): Sir, every speaker has taken not less than 30 minutes. I have just started... (Interruptions)
MR. SPEAKER: There are three more speakers also. So, please conclude.
SHRI MADHUKAR SIRPOTDAR (MUMBAI NORTH-WEST): If this is the kind of treatment, I will sit down.
MR. SPEAKER: You please conclude and sit down.
SHRI MADHUKAR SIRPOTDAR (MUMBAI NORTH-WEST): I have to complete my full speech. Then I will sit down.
MR. SPEAKER: Please conclude and then sit down.
SHRI MADHUKAR SIRPOTDAR (MUMBAI NORTH-WEST): Sir, this way we become helpless.
Sir, the then Pakistan Prime Minister, Shri Z.A. Bhuto, on 19th May, 1974 described India's nuclear explosion as a dreadful and a threat. If you see the overall situation with Pakistan particularly and China after 1962, you will find that we have always been under the threat.
My simple question to all the Members of this House is that how many persons have died, how many persons have been killed in Jammu and Kashmir? There is not a single MP who has come out and said that he has got sympathy for those innocent people who have been killed by the extremists. When Shri Devegowda wanted to have elections in Jammu and Kashmir, at that time, I just asked him that question that `Devegowdaji, it is a good thing that you are having elections in Jammu and Kashmir but please let me know as to when you are going to solve this extremist problem.' That is very important. Everyday they have been killing our people. All innocent persons are being killed and on the other hand, we are always having negotiations to have peace. They are killing and we are having negotiations!
Is it the way that this problem is going to be solved? My simple question to all the statesmen and senior Members of Parliament over here, who have been listening to the debate and hearing about all these problems, is how we are going to solve this problem. Now Pakistan is threatening us. People talk about Ghauri missile. Some people call it Gauri. The word is not Gauri, it is named after Mohammad Ghori who attacked this country sixteen times and was defeated. On the seventeenth occasion when he attacked this country, at that time somehow Prithviraj Chauhan got into his custody and he was killed. That is the history. This particular missile has been named after that person. This gives the indication. Who was Ghazni? Their next missile will be named after Ghazni. Why? What is the reason?
Yesterday also when the bombs were blasted, when a trial was undertaken, that was known as India-specific. From our side not a single person said that it was Pakistan-specific. Wherefrom it has come? Yet we are saying all this. Yesterday the moment the information came after 4 o'clock that actually they had undertaken the trial of a nuclear bomb, people had become panicky over here. Our entire discussion was stopped in the House and the Leader of the Opposition wanted the House to adjourn for half-an-hour. It is really the most surprising thing. Let them have not only one, but ten tests. If they want to explode them, let them do so. Why should we go panicky? What was the reason for that? This is how I am looking at the problem. ...(Interruptions)
If you want to say something, you can stand up and speak. I have not interrupted anybody's speech since the start of this debate three days back. ...(Interruptions)
Ajit Jogiji, I am saying the same thing. You can do this, there is nothing wrong in it. But we can also change our policy and go on doing like this when you speak. But, to the extent possible we should keep patience. We had decided, if you remember, last year when a Special Session was held that we should not do this, we should not enter the well of the House and everyone signed that. But what have we been doing over here? Why should we do this futile exercise in this House? We commit something and do something else. Is it the way we are going to succeed in the Parliamentary system? This is my question. Shri Sangma is seated here. He was the Speaker at that time.
Today when he was speaking in this House, I thought he was not pleading for our country; on the other hand he was pleading for China and Pakistan. That was my impression about his speech. He was criticising our country. I do not know what happened to him. I can understand your spirit. After all we are Indians. If we are going to face any calamity, simultaneously we should face the calamity. If we have done something wrong, we can sit together and find out some solution. But it does not mean that when there is a live telecast all over the country and people are watching, this message should go to them. It is not a proper thing, I would like to mention this.
MR. SPEAKER: Please conclude. Should I thank you for your good speech?
SHRI MADHUKAR SIRPOTDAR (MUMBAI NORTH-WEST): Shri Murli Deora has given an interview somewhere. In that interview he had welcomed this particular suggestion. He said, instead of talking politically, the country should stand united on such issues. That is the statement made by Shri Murli Deora. I am very much thankful to him. Generally people expect this. It is the right of the Members of Parliament to criticise others. There is nothing wrong in it. But a message should not go to the country as well as abroad that we are divided. Just now Shri Devegowda said that this House is divided. Why should we give such a message? If you want to do something, you do it, nobody stops you. After all it is your right. But it is not necessary that when particularly there is a live telecast, when all the people of this country are watching the proceedings, we should do it.
I will try to finish. I have not taken up all the points only because the necessary time was not granted (Interruptions) There is no need for you to worry about our party. Every party's situation is very bright. We are capable of taking care of our own party. Do not worry.
Some hon. Members have spoken about the Simla Agreement. I would like to remind that only after the signing of the Simla Agreement was the nuclear test conducted in 1974. Where was the Simla Agreement then? No one criticised Shrimati Indira Gandhi. Today, we are criticised only because this Government has taken the decision. Otherwise, they would have welcomed it. This is something surprising!
Ever since our Independence, this country has landed in problems. One should not forget that activities are going on all over the country. As Shri Advani rightly said yesterday, the life of the people in this country is very much insecure. A bomb blast may take place anytime, anywhere.
MR. SPEAKER : Please conclude. You have taken fifteen minutes' time. There are three or four more hon. Members to speak.
... (Interruptions)
MR. SPEAKER : In future, you will get more time.
SHRI MADHUKAR SIRPOTDAR (MUMBAI NORTH-WEST): Justice should be done to all. Otherwise, I will read out the names of hon. Members who have spoken and spell out the time that they have taken.
MR. SPEAKER : Please conclude now.
SHRI MADHUKAR SIRPOTDAR (MUMBAI NORTH-WEST): This is not the proper way. Each and every hon. Member should get an opportunity to speak and express his views in this House.
MR. SPEAKER : We have to accommodate other hon. Members also.
SHRI MADHUKAR SIRPOTDAR (MUMBAI NORTH-WEST): Sometimes, some hon. Members and parties have been completely ignored. They have not been allowed to speak. This is most improper. (Interruptions) I have heard the speeches of all hon. Members. I have been sitting here very quietly and I have paid attention very carefully.
I know what Shri Indrajit Gupta spoke and what Shri Somnath Chatterjee spoke. I have noticed a negative signal in those speeches. I have observed in their speeches a negative signal. It is because they are worried about the credit. That is the only point which I have observed. If this credit goes to this Government, they do not like it. Do not forget, when you were running the Government, we never said, `this credit is ours and so you should not get it'. On the other hand, whenever your Government - whether it was headed by Shri H.D. Deve Gowda or Shri I.K. Gujral - was toppled, we were prepared to support you. When Shri Gujral's Government was brought down, at that time also we supported you. I do not know what happened to the Jain Commission Report. It has totally disappeared. This was how, we spent our valuable time in this House on a very flimsy ground.
We should not forget about the entire country. We should not play politics when it comes to protecting the interests of the country. When we go out of this House, we may do that but we should not play dirty politics in this House. The nation is very important. Paramount importance should be attached to the nation and in the interest of the nation all of us should come together. We should serve this country together. That is my humble request to all hon. Members. Thank you very much.
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This statement is foolish and dangerous. I am not going into the merits of the acquisition.
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I cannot give this right to the spokesman of the State Department of the USA to describe the statement of the Home Minister of my country as foolish and dangerous. That may be foolish, but he has no right to describe it as foolish.
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