14 March 2003
Transcript: Rice Tells Al Jazeera Mideast Peace Prospects Much Improved
(She envisions post-Saddam Iraq run by Iraqis) (3380)
National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice said she believes that
chances for peace between Israelis and Palestinians "have been
improving significantly" following the formation of a new Israeli
government and what she described as "very positive signs of reform"
in the Palestinian Authority.
Rice was interviewed by Al Jazeera Television March 14, following
President Bush's announcement that the United States would present a
road map to peace to both parties after a Palestinian prime minister
is named.
She called upon Palestinians and Israel's Arab neighbors to fight
terrorists, whom she described as "those few who would keep the hopes
of the many wrapped up and unable to be fulfilled."
Rice also said the United States was encouraging Israel not only to
freeze settlement building, but also to act in order to alleviate the
hardships faced by the Palestinians.
"I think that no one can be unmoved by the daily problems of the
Palestinian people," she said. "The President has said in past
statements that the Palestinian people should not have to live with
the daily humiliations that they go through."
When asked about Iraq and President Bush's upcoming meeting March 16
in the Azores with the government leaders of Spain and the United
Kingdom, Rice said it was now "the endgame for U.N. diplomacy," and
Bush and the other leaders were "making a last push to see if we can
convince people to take on their responsibilities."
The leaders "will look to see if there's anything more than can be
done to bring the U.N. to take the decision that it needs to take. But
we are reaching the final stages," she said. "This cannot go on for
very much longer."
If military force is used and Saddam Hussein is overthrown, Rice said
the United States envisions the country being run by a group of Iraqis
"who could exercise administrative and other authority on behalf of
the Iraqi people," similar to the Afghan Interim Authority that was
set up in Afghanistan following the end of the Taliban regime.
"We know that there are local and other leaders who have a lot of
legitimate authority in Iraq. And we would hope that this interim
Iraqi authority would bring together Iraqis to start to take control
of their own future," she said.
As for the U.S. military presence in the country, Rice said that,
similar to Afghanistan, "the United States and the coalition will stay
as long as we're needed. But we have no desire to stay very long at
all."
Following is the transcript of National Security Advisor Rice's
interview with Al Jazeera:
(begin transcript)
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
March 14, 2003
INTERVIEW OF NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR CONDOLEEZZA RICE BY AL JAZEERA
TELEVISION
Arab Television Studio Washington, D.C.
(Questions Asked in Arabic and Translated For Dr. Rice Off-Camera,
Written Translations Provided By Al Jazeera)
12:10 P.M. EST
Q: First, let me ask what's new in the President's announcement today?
Some were surprised to find the President talking about the
Palestinians and Israelis after we thought that you had forgotten them
and had focused on Iraq. Why this timing?
DR. RICE: The President has always said that he remains focused on the
Middle East peace process and on the moment when it would be possible
to make progress in the Middle East peace process. On June 24th, the
President laid out a comprehensive vision for a two-state solution in
the Middle East in which Palestinians and Israelis could live together
in peace and in prosperity.
We then developed with the Quartet -- the United Nations, Russia, and
the EU -- a road map that would take the President's June 24th vision
and put in place steps toward the conclusion of that goal. We really
do believe, and the President believes, that now with new Israeli
government just recently elected and formed, and with the Palestinian
Authority's very admirable decision to create a prime ministership
with real authority, that there is a new opportunity to push the peace
process forward. And so this is really on the timing of the peace
process and nothing else. And the President said today that when the
Palestinians have selected and confirmed a prime minister, that we
will be ready to give to the parties the road map and they can begin
the work of beginning to get this done.
(Videotape of President Bush's Remarks.)
Q: There are two things I'd like to discuss with you in regards to the
President's announcement. First, confirmation. Dr. Saeb Erekat,
Palestinian Minister of Local Government, told Al Jazeera that the
confirmation is basically complete. Most Palestinian entities have
confirmed: the Palestinian Central Committee, et cetera. What do you
mean by confirmation?
DR. RICE: Simply waiting for the naming of the prime minister. By
confirmation, the President only meant that, as we understand it,
there has been a nomination of a prime minister. There's still
discussions going on. And when that person is in place and ready, the
United States will be prepared and ready to release the road map to
the Palestinians and to the Israelis. We expect there to be comment,
by the way, back from the parties.
After all, this needs to become their document -- not just the
document of the Quartet. Because it's the road map, the pact for peace
for the parties. And so that's what the President was saying, when
there is a person to work with, we will be ready.
Q: Of course, the person is here. He is Mahmoud Abbas, who was also
welcomed by British Prime Minister Tony Blair, who congratulated him
on his new post. What's worrisome is the talk of subjecting the road
map to renewed negotiations. The Quartet has come up with a road map,
and now it should be implemented, not renegotiated and renegotiated,
et cetera.
DR. RICE: This is not a matter of renegotiation of the road map. It's
simply a matter that the parties themselves ought to have an
opportunity to comment. We believe that if this is going to work, it
has to be a solution that the parties can live with. After all, they
are the ones with everything at stake here. But we believe that it's a
very good road map. And it is a faithful recollection of the
President's June 24th speech. It is the way forward. But there's
certainly nothing wrong with asking the parties to work on the road
map, to work together on the road map. It may well be that some of
these things can be done more quickly than the road map even
envisions. And so we think comment from the parties is a very good
thing.
Q: Is this also supposed to happen as a war begins with Iraq? Some
would say it is just to clear the air, that it's a carrot to the Arab
world, but a very humble one compared to the Madrid Peace Conference
of 1991, and that it is not a big achievement. How do you view it?
DR. RICE: We believe that the chances for a Middle East peace have
been improving significantly with changes in Israel and especially
with what we see as very positive signs of reform in the Palestinian
Authority. To have a prime minister who has real authority to run the
day-to-day affairs of the government, to have someone who is a
respected leader among the Palestinian people is a very big plus for
peace. And with the new Israeli government, what we're saying is, it's
time to make a new start -- for the parties to make a new start.
Now, it's just fortunate that all of this work had been done no the
road map so there is a way to get started. But it does not mean that
there might not be other things that could be done, as well. And we
will be looking for those. We are encouraging the Israelis, for
instance, to do something about the fate of the Palestinian people. I
think that no one can be unmoved by the daily problems of the
Palestinian people. The President has said in past statements that the
Palestinian people should not have to live with the daily humiliations
that they go through.
We work very hard with the relief organizations and are prepared to
work harder with relief organizations to do something about the
humanitarian situation. So there is much that can be done there. The
Palestinians, for their part, need to do more to improve the security
environment. And, frankly, all of the states of the region need to
fight terrorism, to say those few who would keep the hopes of the many
wrapped up and unable to be fulfilled, to say to those rejectionists
that it is not going to be acceptable. Peace is going to be at hand.
So it's not just the road map. There are responsibilities that all of
the parties have. We've said to the Israelis, as this progresses, we
expect them to freeze settlements and to recognize that a Palestinian
state has to be viable in its composition. So there's a lot for all of
the parties to do. The road map is just a set of specific steps, an
articulation of how to move forward. But it's not the only tool that
we have. The timing is very clearly tied to this new chance for peace
-- given the appointment of the Palestinian prime minister; and we
look forward to his acceptance; and we're ready to go -- and to a new
Israeli government.
Q: And would you accept to host him in the White House?
DR. RICE: I think there would be nothing better, at some point in time
when it is appropriate, for a Palestinian prime minister to visit the
White House. But the timing will be important and we will be in touch
with them about this.
But the key here is, on June 24th, the President gave a speech in
which he asked all parties to be responsible. He asked the Israelis to
be more responsible in the way that they created conditions for a
Palestinian state to emerge. He asked the Palestinian leaders to have
at the core the desires and wishes of their people, and to create a
reformed government that was democratic and transparent and open. A
lot has been going on in the time since June 24th. And it's time to
try and deliver on that.
Q: We want to move to the main issue of Iraq, but we don't want to
miss the opportunity to bring up one thing. In every statement from
President Bush and top U.S. officials, whether yourself or Secretary
Powell, and in a way that creates discomfort among the Arab viewer or
listener, whenever Israeli civilians are killed, there is a clear and
harsh condemnation. This is a duty. but very simple and vague terms
are used when Israel kills Palestinian civilians in a cold blood and
in broad daylight, like the term, "[the U.S. is] worried." Fearing the
ramifications of that upon the peace process, why aren't clear
condemnations issued whenever innocents are killed on either side?
DR. RICE: The President has said that any innocent life that is taken
in this terrible conflict that has gone on very, very long -- any
innocent life -- is a tragedy. And what we've said is that terrorism,
which takes innocent life in large numbers, bombings where you take
children, really, and ask them to become suicide bombers against other
children, that cannot be tolerated. But I want to be very clear, the
loss of innocent life -- whether Palestinian or Israeli or Arab or
American -- is too much. And we are very, very sad at what goes on in
the Middle East every day. It is why the President has spoken so
forcefully for the need for peace, why he has spoken so forcefully for
a need to the end to terrorism, and why he has spoken so forcefully
for the need for a two-state solution so that innocent life is not
longer taken for anyone.
Q: What do you hope to achieve in the Azores summit, the U.S., UK and
Spain? And will the next road to Baghdad be through the Azores,
instead of New York?
DR. RICE: The President and everyone else is working very, very hard
with the U.N. Security Council and with others to see if we can't find
a way forward -- diplomatically forward in the U.N. Security Council
to see if we cannot get to the place where the Security Council takes
its responsibility seriously to uphold its Resolution 1441.
The problem is that Saddam Hussein has not disarmed. He has had 12
years to disarm. He lost a war of aggression against his neighbors,
against Kuwait. He has used weapons of mass destruction on his own
people and on his neighbors. He has continually violated U.N.
resolution after U.N. resolution after U.N. resolution. He represses
his own people. This is a regime that no one should shed tears for.
This is a regime that needed to be told in the clearest possible
terms, either disarm or we will disarm you. And that's what Resolution
1441 said, it said one final opportunity to disarm.
Now, we are in the endgame for U.N. diplomacy. And the President and
President Aznar of Spain and Prime Minister Blair of Great Britain and
Prime Minister Barroso of Portugal will get together. Prime Minister
Barroso is hosting them in Portugal, in the Azores, which is, of
course, Portuguese territory. And they will discuss the way forward.
They will look to see if there's anything more than can be done to
bring the U.N. to take the decision that it needs to take. But we are
reaching the final stages. This cannot go on for very much longer.
Q: So there might be a need to go back to the U.N. because you still
don't have the necessary nine votes, and the French veto threat still
stands?
DR. RICE: Well, right now we're continuing to work on it. We really do
believe that if the Security Council can bring itself to do this, that
would be the very best. You know the Security Council could not act in
Kosovo when there was really the all-out murder of innocent people --
mostly Muslims -- in Kosovo. The U.N. could not act.
The U.N. Security Council could not act when in Rwanda there was a
genocide that cost almost a million lives. There was a very poignant
statement by the President of Rwanda recently when he said, sometimes
the Security Council is not right when it does not act.
President Bush believes that, too. And so he is -- with his
co-sponsors for this resolution -- making a last push to see if we can
convince people to take on their responsibilities. But a moment of
truth is coming. It is coming soon and that's what the leaders are
going to meet to discuss in the Azores.
Q: Are we talking about days or weeks?
DR. RICE: Well, we're certainly not talking about weeks because this
has gone on long enough. We're talking about 12 years of defiance, not
a few months. And even with a very strong, Resolution 1441, on the
table, and military force building up around him, Saddam Hussein
continues to play games with the international community. He continues
to refuse real interviews with the scientists. He continues to hide
his weapons to try to deceive the inspectors. We really have to deal
with, is the creditability of the United Nations Security Council at
stake? Indeed, this a leader, a regime that is at fault for
threatening his neighbors and bringing a lot of instability into the
region.
We talked earlier about the Middle East peace process, as the
President said a few weeks ago, we really do believe that once the
region is rid of this terrible regime in Iraq, if we have to use
military force, that that will open new opportunities for peace in the
Middle East and new opportunities for Arab countries to give greater
liberty and greater awareness to their own people. Everybody wants
rights. And we really do believe that the people of the Middle East
are no different. They also yearn for freedom. The Iraqi people yearn
for freedom. They yearn for liberty. And if we have to use force, we
will do everything that we can to attend to the humanitarian needs of
the Iraqi people. We will do everything that we can to put the Iraqi
people back on their feet. And we will do everything that we can to
give them the opportunity that we know they will seize for a more
democratic future.
Q: Dr. Rice, I know your time is limited, and perhaps we just have a
minute left, so I will move to the last question. But please take as
much time as you need to answer. The perception of a post-war Iraq in
the Arab world is one of foreign occupation forces returning to an
Arab country, and to a city that used to be the capital of the Islamic
caliphate. There is a fear of tearing Iraq apart between Kurds in the
north and Shiites in the south, and a fear of intervention to change
Arab regimes by force. How do you perceive a post-war Iraq?
DR. RICE: Well, Iraq is a special case because Iraq has been a serial
abuser of U.N. Security Council resolutions. It's an outlaw regime
that the Security Council has sanctioned many times. But let me be
very clear, if we have to use military force in Iraq, it is our
intention to help the Iraqi people to liberate themselves, to be
there, as the President said, as long as we're needed but not one
minute longer, and to very early on, put in place with Iraqis -- from
outside the country and inside the country -- an Iraq authority that
can administer and run the country.
We are thinking of something that we're calling an Iraqi interim
authority, kind of like the Afghan Interim Authority, that would be a
grouping of Iraqis who could exercise administrative and other
authority on behalf of the Iraqi people as quickly as possible.
Because we want the governance of Iraq in the hands of Iraqis -- not
in hands of Americans or other coalition partners. There will be a
period of time in which there are tasks to be done, humanitarian
assistance, guaranteeing the territorial integrity of Iraq, being
concerned about sectarian violence, being concerned that the resources
of the Iraqi people are returned to the use of the Iraqi people. Those
are things that, yes, the coalition will have to do. But we are
determined that almost from the very beginning, Iraqis will have their
own future at hand. And they will be involved in their own future.
Just as we did in Afghanistan, the United States and the coalition
will stay as long as we're needed. But we have no desire to stay very
long at all.
Q: Just to clarify, there will be a Karzai in Iraq and not an American
military governor? There will be no American military governor?
DR. RICE: What we really hope to do is, very early on, to establish an
Iraqi interim authority. That interim authority would be transitional,
obviously until an actual government could be created. But we would
hope that it would bring together some of the people who have been
outside the country, some of the leadership of the Kurdish
territories, leaders of other groups, ethnic groups, and people in
Iraq. We know that there are local and other leaders who have a lot of
legitimate authority in Iraq. And we would hope that this interim
Iraqi authority would bring together Iraqis to start to take control
of their own future.
Q: Dr. Condoleezza Rice, National Security Advisor, thank you very
much.
DR. RICE: Thank you.
END 12:33 P.M. EST
(end transcript)
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