Transcript: Bush Says NATO Expansion Will Increase Regional Stability
(Nov. 18: interview with Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty) (2040)
Russia has nothing to fear about NATO expanding to its membership
because the alliance will create greater stability for the entire
region, President Bush told Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty in an
interview November 18.
"I'm going from Prague to St. Petersburg precisely to deliver that
message to the Russian people," Bush said.
Asked whether he envisions full-fledged Russian membership in NATO,
Bush said the NATO-Russia partnership is going to be "very
constructive. Time will tell. The key thing is to make sure the
relationship works the way it should."
The interview was given on the eve of Bush's trip to Europe to
participate in the NATO Summit in Prague.
Regarding Iraq, Bush spoke about his determination to disarm Iraqi
leader Saddam Hussein. "I intend to work with nations that love
freedom and peace, make sure the [U.N. Security Council] resolution
stands. And if he doesn't disarm, you're right, I'll lead a coalition
of the willing to disarm him.
"Mr. Saddam Hussein must understand he'll be disarmed one way or the
other. I hope it's done peacefully," Bush added.
On Chechnya, he said Russian President Vladimir Putin has a right to
protect his people against terrorism but that Putin should respect the
rights of national minorities. "I said that in the campaign. I also
say it to Mr. Putin every time I see him," Bush added.
He expressed the hope that America's emerging ties with Central Asian
states would help them to adopt democratic values.
Regarding NATO enlargement and the Prague Summit, Bush said he expects
the new members, even though many are small countries, to add "vigor
to the Alliance. And, he added, "I do believe they can contribute
something really important, and that is they can contribute their love
for freedom."
The interview may be heard in its entirety on RFE/RL's website
[www.rferl.org] at the following address:
http://www.rferl.org/specials/GBush/audio/ram/GbushInterview.ram
Following is a transcript of the interview:
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THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
November 18, 2002
INTERVIEW OF THE PRESIDENT
BY RADIO FREE EUROPE/RADIO LIBERTY
The Library
1:45 P.M. EST
Q: Mr. President, this week NATO will be celebrating an historic
expansion, as well as focusing on transforming the Alliance to meet
new threats, such as Iraq. You have spoken about the possibility of
leading a coalition of the willing against Iraq. Why not speak about
using NATO forces against Iraq, since, under NATO's charter, all
members are supposed to come to the aid of any member under direct
threat?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, first of all, I hope we can do this peacefully.
And by doing it peacefully, that means I hope Saddam Hussein disarms.
Of course, we've hoped that for 11 years. We've hoped that for 16
resolutions. We now have a 17th resolution and this time, I intend to
work with nations that love freedom and peace, make sure the
resolution stands. And if he doesn't disarm, you're right, I'll lead a
coalition of the willing to disarm him.
And there's all kinds of ways for that coalition to be formed. It
could be formed with NATO if they choose. I have said to the U.N.
Security Council we'll go back and discuss the matter with you. But
Mr. Saddam Hussein must understand he'll be disarmed one way or the
other. I hope it's done peacefully.
Q: The new members of NATO are quite small. Do you see them as
contributing something significant militarily to the Alliance?
THE PRESIDENT: I was hoping you'd ask, do I see them contributing
something to the Alliance. I'll answer it that way. First, I'll answer
it militarily -- because I do believe they can contribute something
really important, and that is they can contribute their love for
freedom. These are countries which have lived in totalitarian states.
They haven't been free. And now they've seen freedom and they love
freedom. Just like America loves freedom. And that's going to be a
really important -- it will add some vigor to the relationship in NATO
that's healthy and wholesome.
And I think they will. The key is to -- I think they will help
militarily -- but the key is to change the military strategy of NATO.
[NATO Secretary General] Lord Robertson understands this. It starts
with the understanding that Russia is not our enemy. NATO doesn't need
to be constructed to prevent the Warsaw Pact from invading Europe.
After all, the Warsaw Pact doesn't exist. As a matter of fact, the
Warsaw Pact is becoming NATO, slowly but surely. We don't need that
type of mentality, and we've got to have a military strategy that
addresses the true threats.
The threats we face are global terrorist attacks. That's the threat.
And the more you love freedom, the more likely it is you'll be
attacked. And therefore, the Article 5 that you referred to for NATO
becomes very relevant in this war against terror.
The war against terror will not only be defeated -- the terrorists
will not only be defeated militarily, but the terrorists will be
defeated as we share intelligence, and as we cut off money, and as we
deny access, and as we stiffen up border requirements in order to make
sure that people can't go from one spot to another with plots and/or
messages to attack.
And so it's a different kind of war. And it's going to be an
interesting meeting, because not only is the meeting going to expand,
but the meeting is going to address how best to achieve this common
objective. I'm absolutely convinced that the so-called military gap
between America and all countries can be addressed with a good
strategy. And that will be interesting for observers to watch. I think
it's going to happen. I know that Lord Robertson, who runs NATO, is
committed to developing a relevant strategy and one that will work.
Q: Russian President Vladimir Putin has equated his war in Chechnya
with the U.S. war on terrorism. Do you agree with that equation, or do
you still feel, as was stated during your election campaign, that
Russian forces are committing brutalities against innocent Chechen
civilians?
THE PRESIDENT: I think that Russia should be able to -- or hope that
Russia should be able to solve their issue with Chechnya peacefully.
That's not to say that Vladimir shouldn't do what it takes to protect
his people from individual terrorist attacks. But this is a different
kind of war that we face. This is a war where we're dealing with
people who hide in caves and kind of shadowing corners of the world
and send people to their suicidal deaths. It's a war that I believe
can lend itself both to chasing those people down and, at the same
time, solving issues in a peaceful way, with respect for the human
rights of minorities within countries.
I said that in the campaign. I also say it to Mr. Putin every time I
see him.
Q: Do you envision Russia ever becoming a full-fledged member of NATO?
THE PRESIDENT: I think the partnership between NATO and Russia is
going to be a very constructive partnership. We'll see. Time will
tell. The key thing is to make sure the relationship works the way it
should, which really says to Russia that an expanded NATO on your
border is not a threat to you or your future. As a matter of fact, it
should enable you to grow peacefully.
I'm going from Prague to St. Petersburg precisely to deliver that
message to the Russian people, that even though NATO will have been
expanded on your border, particularly in sensitive areas like the
Baltics, you should not fear expansion, you should welcome expansion,
because you've now got a neighborhood that is much more peaceful for
you to -- in which to realize your vast potential. And that's
important for Russia to hear.
Q: Russia now has a special counsel with NATO --
THE PRESIDENT: Are we getting the hook already?
Q: Does that mean we're running out of time? Let me ask you another
question --
THE PRESIDENT: It's hard to see on radio.
Q: Central Asia -- we broadcast to Central Asia. And many experts say
that the authoritarian regimes in that region are actually fueling
terrorism because their people feel helpless and unable to effect
change. Do you think there are any dangers in the U.S. aligning itself
closely with those governments that are --
THE PRESIDENT: I think any time the United States aligns itself with a
government that we never forget the basic premises of our existence,
and that is freedom is important, the human condition for all are
important. We value every life, everybody counts. And in my judgment,
the more people relate to the United States and work with the United
States, the more likely it is they will work to improve the human
condition. And that's what we spend a lot of time doing. One of the
great things about our country is that we embrace freedom, first and
foremost.
It's one of my concerns about Iraq. Listen, we've got people living in
Iraq that are tortured and brutalized in order to keep this man in
power. I weep for those who suffer. And so the great cause of the
United States is freedom. I tell these countries, they talk about
freedom -- I say freedom isn't America's gift to the world. It's
God-given. Everybody counts.
And it is with that spirit of recognizing the values of freedom I
think will help improve people, no matter where. And you're right,
there's some leaders there that need work with, and we're prepared to
work with them. But I will tell you, people -- poverty is a tool for
recruitment amongst these global terrorists. It's a way for them to
recruit, perhaps. But poverty doesn't cause killers to exist. And it's
an important distinction to make.
These global terrorists are, some of them are rich, monetarily.
They're obviously poor in spirit. They have no regard for human life.
They claim they're religious, and they kill in the name of religion.
And there are some breeding grounds, no question about it. And
therefore, we hope that prosperity spreads out from central government
to help people. But I hope people don't confuse the mentality of the
terrorist leaders and economic plight, because these people are plenty
comfortable. They just kill. And we're going to get them before they
get us.
And that's what the world needs to know about the United States.
Q: Osama bin Laden still seems to be alive. Are you --
THE PRESIDENT: Could be.
Q: -- worried that he's plotting another major attack on the United
States?
THE PRESIDENT: Whether it's him or somebody else, they're plotting an
attack, no question about it. That's why we've got to get them. But
this issue is bigger than one person. If -- the war on terror is a
group of fanatics. They hate America because of what we stand for.
They hate us because we love freedom. And that's why we're on the
hunt. And slowly but surely, we're dismantling them.
I told the people of this country it's going to take a while. I said
it's going to be patient -- the farther we get away from September the
11th, 2001, the more people are going to tend to forget what took
place in this country. And it's normal reaction for people to just
kind of settle back and hope that something doesn't exist. But my job
is to remind people of the threats we face, based upon facts, and to
find these killers. And that's exactly what we're going to do. As I
tell people in America, there's no cave dark enough to hide from the
justice of America, and our friends.
And my speech I'm going to give in Prague to the youngsters there, I'm
going to remind them there is a coalition of the willing in place
right now, chasing down terror. We've got 90 nations -- 90 different
nations all teamed up, doing everything we can to bring these people
to justice. And we'll prevail. Make no mistake about it, we'll
prevail.
Thank you, sir.
Q: Thank you, sir.
THE PRESIDENT: Is there any doubt in your mind we'll prevail?
Q: Not anymore. (Laughter.)
1:55 P.M. EST
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