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28 December 2001

Transcript: Bush Press Conference at Crawford, Texas Ranch

(President says bin Laden is "on the losing side of a rout") (4900) 
Osama bin Laden already is "on the losing side of a rout," but the
United States will not stop its pursuit of terrorists "until we get
him and all those murderers that are associated with him," President
Bush told reporters December 28.
The president made the comments during an informal press conference at
his Crawford, Texas ranch, where he is spending a yearend vacation.
Bush was joined in the session by General Tommy Franks, the American
commander of the war in Afghanistan, who had flown to the ranch from
his Tampa, Florida headquarters to brief the president on progress.
Declaring that bin Laden "is not escaping us," Bush spoke
contemptuously of the man who is branded as a terrorist mastermind. "I
mean, this is a guy who three months ago was in control of a country.
Now he's maybe in control of a cave. He's on the run," the president
said.
Bush speculated that U.S. troops will be in Afghanistan "for quite a
long period of time," but said he would leave the timing decision to
Franks and his military planners.
Asked about plans for the military tribunals that he is setting up to
try foreign terrorist suspects, the president said that new press
reports providing details of supposed tribunal procedures are
premature.
"The secretary of defense hadn't even seen the report that was on the
front page of America's newspapers.... I know that the leaked report
is preliminary, that they're still in discussions about how best to
bring justice," he said.
With respect to growing tensions between Pakistan and India, Bush said
that Secretary of State Colin Powell had spoken with both sides
earlier in the day "urging restraint, urging calm." He added he was
pleased that Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf had announced the
arrest of 50 terrorists -- that he "is responding to the Indian
requests... to round up those who would do harm to others."
On the economic and political crisis in Argentina, Bush said he has
spoken recently with the presidents of Mexico, Uruguay, Chile and
Brazil about the situation.
"I made it clear to those governments that we want to work with them,
to work together to make sure that the Argentineans understand that we
will support a plan that sustains economic growth, we're willing to
offer technical assistance through the IMF (International Monetary
Fund)," he said.
Following is a transcript of the president's press conference.
(begin transcript)
THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
(Crawford, Texas)
December 28, 2001
REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT AND GENERAL TOMMY FRANKS IN PRESS
AVAILABILITY WITH THE PRESS TRAVEL POOL
The Prairie Chapel Ranch
Crawford, Texas
9:58 A.M. CST
THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. As you can see, I've invited a guest to
come to the ranch. Tommy Franks is no stranger to Texas. After all, he
was raised in Midland, Texas. And I'm looking forward to taking him
over to the house here in a minute to say hello to Laura. Both of them
went to Midland Lee High School, at about the same time.
But Tommy has just come back from the Afghan theater. He gave me a
full briefing on what he saw and what he heard. We just got off of a
teleconference with the national security team, to discuss his trip
and to discuss what's taking place in Afghanistan.
I want to thank you for coming, Tommy. I am real proud of the
military, and I'm proud of the commander. Tommy has done everything
we've asked. He is fulfilling the mission with patience and discipline
and success. He's a down-to-earth, no-nonsense guy. Precisely the kind
of man we need to lead a complex mission such as this.
You know, a couple of months ago, a lot of people said that this
administration and our military really weren't sure what we were
doing. But I had confidence all along. And the reason why I did --
confidence in the success of what we set out to do -- was because I
had a chance to be briefed by Tommy Franks on the strategy and on the
plan, and on how we were going to use our United States military. And
he hasn't let us down. The country needs to be proud of the military,
and one reason that I'm so pleased to welcome Tommy, is to be able to
say that out loud in Tommy's presence.
So I'm going to have Tommy say a few words, and then we'll be glad to
answer a couple of questions.
GENERAL FRANKS: Thank you, Mr. President. As the President said, my
wife and I recently have had an opportunity to be with a bunch of
great young people -- soldiers and sailors, airmen, Marines -- in the
front-line states around Afghanistan and in Afghanistan, and Kandahar
and at Camp Rhino and up in Kabul. We had a chance to meet with these
young people who are doing the work for the nation.
We also had a chance to attend the installation ceremony in
Afghanistan, where we saw Mr. Karzai and members of that team form an
interim government in Afghanistan, where for the first time in
decades, more than 26 million people will have an opportunity to have
their way represented in that government.
And the combination of seeing these great young people and seeing this
momentous event just filled me with a desire to be able to brief the
President on what's going on over there in the theater, on what our
people are doing, how they feel about what they're doing.
And so, Mr. President, thanks very much for having me out here in
Crawford.
THE PRESIDENT:  You bet.
Scott.
QUESTION: Mr. President, what's your reaction to the new bin Laden
tape this week? And do you fear he's now alluded the manhunt? Also,
are you concerned that if military tribunals require a unanimous
verdict for the death penalty, some terrorists could avoid execution?
THE PRESIDENT: Let me start with the first of your three questions.
Which was what? I've already forgotten.
Q: What's your reaction to the bin Laden tape. Are you afraid he's
alluded the manhunt.
THE PRESIDENT: Oh, the tape, yes. I didn't watch it all. I saw
snippets of it on TV. You know, it's -- who knows when it was made.
Secondly, he is not escaping us. This is a guy who, three months ago,
was in control of a county. Now he's maybe in control of a cave. He's
on the run.
Listen, a while ago I said to the American people, our objective is
more than bin Laden. But one of the things for certain is we're going
to get him running and keep him running, and bring him to justice. And
that's what's happening. He's on the run, if he's running at all.
So we don't know whether he's in a cave with the door shut, or a cave
with the door open -- we just don't know. There's all kinds of reports
and all kinds of speculation. But one thing we know is that he's not
in charge of Afghanistan anymore. He's not in charge of the -- he's
not the parasite that invaded the host, the Taliban. We know that for
certain. And we also know that we're on the hunt, and he knows that
we're on the hunt. And I like our position better than his.
In terms of whether or not the tribunals will be able to render the
justice necessary, that -- I spoke to the Secretary of Defense today
about the story in the newspaper. Evidently, somebody in our
government wanted to show off to his family, or her family, in between
Christmas and New Year's by leaking information in the press that he
or she thought would be helpful to the government. The truth of the
matter is the Secretary of Defense hadn't even seen the report that
was on the front page of America's newspapers.
So my answer to your question, Scott, is I know that the leaked report
is preliminary, that they're still in discussions about how best to
bring justice. But one thing is for certain, that whatever the
procedures are for the military tribunals, our system will be more
fair than the system of bin Laden and the Taliban. That is for
certain. The prisoners that we capture will be given a heck of a lot
better chance in court than those citizens of ours who were in the
World Trade r or in the Pentagon were given by Mr. bin Laden.
David.  Good to see you.
Q:  Good to see you.
THE PRESIDENT:  Thank you.
Q: Can you say with confidence now that Osama bin Laden in no longer
in a position to mastermind another terrorist attack against the
United States or our allies? And related to that, you talked about
2002 being a year of war. What can you say to prepare the American
people for what that vision is, what they need to be prepared for, as
compared to what they've seen in Afghanistan?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, I hope 2002 is a year of peace. But I am also
realistic, and I know full well that bin Laden and his cronies would
like to harm America again, bin Laden and his cronies would like to
harm our allies. How do I know that? I receive intelligence reports on
a daily basis that indicates that that's his desires. And therefore,
the United States must be vigilant, must make sure we continue to
focus on our homeland security measures, must disrupt, must use our
intelligence-gathering network to prevent the enemy from attacking.
And so, while I hope 2002 is a year of peace, I'm realistic. As to
whether or not bin Laden is in control of some network, who knows? The
thing we're certain about is that he's on the run, that he's hiding in
caves, if hiding at all. And the other thing I'm certain about is we
will bring him to justice. I don't know whether it's going to be
tomorrow, but Tommy will tell you that I haven't said, Tommy, get him
tomorrow. I said, just get him. And we will. We will bring him to
justice.
We don't know, David, whether or not he's given any orders to any of
his soldiers, but we take nothing for granted. And so our country
still remains on alert, and we're actively looking for anybody who
would harm America.
The shoe bomber was a case in point, where the country has been on
alert. A stewardess on an American Airlines flight -- or a flight
attendant on an American Airlines flight was vigilant, saw something
amiss, and responded. It's an indication that the culture of America
has shifted to one of alertness. And I'm grateful for the flight
attendant's response, as I'm sure the passengers on that airplane. But
we've got to be aware that there are still enemies to the country. And
our government is responding accordingly.
Q: Mr. President, do you think that India and Pakistan are sliding
toward war?
THE PRESIDENT: One of the things that we discussed today in the
national security conference, and I discussed yesterday with members
of my national security team, was the India and Pakistan issue. Colin
Powell has spoke to both sides today, urging restraint, urging calm. I
was pleased to -- I'm pleased to note that President Musharraf has
announced the arrest of 50 extreme terrorists -- extremists or
terrorists. And I hope India takes note of that, that the President is
responding forcefully and actively to bring those who would harm
others to justice.
The war on terror is not just an American war on terrorists, it's a
civilized government war on terror that we're talking about here. But
my government and my administration is working actively to bring some
calm in the region, to hopefully convince both sides to stop the
escalation of force. And as I say, I'm pleased that President
Musharraf is responding to the Indian requests to round up those who
would do harm to others and incarcerate them, which he did.
Q:  Are you making any calls yourself, sir?
THE PRESIDENT: Not yet. I will if need be. As a matter of fact, I have
been making calls recently to leaders in our own hemisphere. I spoke
to the Presidents of Mexico and Uruguay, Chile and Brazil about the
Argentinean situation. I made it clear to those governments that we
want to work with them, to work together to make sure that the
Argentineans understand that we will support a plan that sustains
economic growth. We're willing to offer technical assistance through
the IMF; that our government is aware of what's taking place and that
we're fully engaged in the issue.
Q: Mr. President, some say that the events of 2001 have changed you,
while others say that you're the same person you always were --
THE PRESIDENT:  Yes.
Q: Who's right? Or is it fair to say there's some truth in both
arguments?
THE PRESIDENT: Talk to my wife. (Laughter.) I don't know. I don't
spend a lot of time looking in the mirror. Except when I comb my hair.
And -- listen, I'll give you a hint. I liked coming to the ranch
before September the 11th; I like coming to the ranch after September
the 11th.
Q: -- the war for a moment. Have you had any contact with Ken Lay or
other Enron officials in the last six weeks --
THE PRESIDENT:  No.
Q: -- and do you think that there is something the government should
do to help Enron --
THE PRESIDENT: I have had no contact with Enron officials in the last
six weeks. Do I think the government ought to help what now?
Q: Help Enron or do something to help prevent some of these employees
from losing their life savings.
THE PRESIDENT: Well, I think the life savings issue is something we
need to look into. I think it's very important to understand what took
place. The government will be looking into this. I mean, the SEC will
be looking into matters, Congress appears to be looking into matters.
There will be a lot of government inquiry into Enron and what took
place there.
I'm deeply concerned about the citizens of Houston who worked for
Enron who lost life savings. It's very troubling to read the stories
about those who locked up Enron stock -- had their Enron stock locked
up in their 401K plans, and then saw their savings dissipate. I think
it's very important for us to fully understand the why's of Enron. And
there will be plenty of investigations.
Q:  Sir, will you make recess appointments --
THE PRESIDENT: Thinking about it. I don't know yet. I'm right now
focused on the military operations in Afghanistan and giving Tommy a
tour of my ranch. But I, at the appropriate time, will take a good,
hard look at recess appointments.
I'm disappointed that a lot of my appointments were stalled in the
United States Senate, weren't given a hearing. This Scalia man got out
of committee, but never given a vote on the floor of the Senate. He's
a good fellow, he ought to be approved. But I'll take a good, hard
look at all the options available to me.
Q: Mr. President, is there a timetable in your mind for withdrawing
U.S. troops from Afghanistan? Or as long as bin Laden is still on the
run, do you imagine them being there indefinitely?
THE PRESIDENT: I imagine us being there for quite a long period of
time. But my timetable is going to be set by Tommy Franks. Tommy is in
charge of the military operations; he's in charge of the military.
I'll let Tommy speak for himself, but I will tell you this -- we won't
be making political decisions about what to do with our military.
I gave Tommy a mission; it was a well-defined mission. And Tommy is in
charge of getting that mission done, and when Tommy says, "Mission
complete, Mr. President," that's when we start moving troops out. But
until he says that, I am -- I will make the case to the American
people that we're doing the right thing.
Q: What's your definition of the mission being complete in
Afghanistan, sir?
THE PRESIDENT: In Afghanistan? Well, Taliban gone, the country secure,
the country stable, that al Qaeda cells rounded up, Taliban fighters
brought to justice. The over 6,000 troops, prisoners being held --
prisoners of war being held by our allies interrogated,
finger-printing. I mean, there's a lot to do. And the American people
just must understand when I said that we need to be patient, that I
meant it. And we're going to be there for a while. And I don't know
the exact moment when we leave, David, but it's not until this mission
is complete.
The world must know that this administration will not blink in the
face of danger, and will not tire when it comes to completing the
missions that we said we would do. The world will learn that when the
United States is harmed, we will follow through. The world will see
that when we put a coalition together that says, "join us," I mean it.
And when I ask others to participate, I mean it. And in order to lead
the coalition, we must show that we will complete the mission. And
part of that mission is, as Tommy will tell you, is to make sure that
Afghanistan is a stable country.
And he's got a lot to say on that if you want him to talk about it.
Okay, bring the man to the Mike.
Q: General Franks, could you talk about how you took evasive action
when you were fired upon the other day? There was a report yesterday
that your helicopter was fired upon.
Q: You should get right to that, sir, after you do the first question.
(Laughter.)
GENERAL FRANKS: Let me take that -- let me take your question first.
As we look around, today we have more than 50 nations involved in this
coalition effort, and around Afghanistan, providing support and so
forth. We have 26 nations represented at our headquarters down in
Tampa, Florida. We have 16 nations represented on the ground or in the
air or at sea around Afghanistan.
And it's interesting that over the past 10 days, the numbers I've just
described have grown rather than shrinking. I think the view is that
Afghanistan is a part of a global effort against terrorism, that we'll
stay in Afghanistan as long as it takes to do what the President has
said. We will do away with the Taliban, and that has been done. We now
have a legitimate interim government in Kabul.
We will destroy the al Qaeda terrorist network inside Afghanistan. We
will take care of the screening and the work that needs to be done
with all these detainees -- finger-printing, DNA work, photography,
screening, interrogation. We'll determine which ones need to be
brought out and need to be handled in some form of legal process.
How long will that take? I think the President said it immediately
after the 11th of September, and I think many of us have said it about
every day since then: It will take as long as it takes.
Interesting to me, the fact that these young people standing at
Kandahar Airport a few nights ago, in the middle of the night,
watching the USO show, showed me absolutely no desire to leave their
mission at all. And so, I think it's best for all of us to recognize
that we will not be hurried, we will not be pressed into doing
something that does not represent our national objectives. And we will
take as long as it takes.
And a very short answer to the business of the helicopter -- I have
been told since I took that helicopter ride that someone took a shot
at the helicopter. I didn't see it when it happened, and I believe it
may have happened, but then again, this is Afghanistan and we have
pockets of Taliban still in that country. And that's one of the
reasons that we're going to stay there until we have mopped all that
up.
Q:  Mr. President --
THE PRESIDENT:  Yes.  It's your big day, Scott, two questions.
Q:  A one-part question this time, I promise.
THE PRESIDENT:  Four questions, excuse me.  (Laughter.)
Q: Would you prefer to see bin Laden captured and questioned about the
attacks and possible future attacks?
THE PRESIDENT:  You know, dead or alive is fine with me.
Q: Mr. President, you mentioned Argentina and you talked about you
support more technical assistance from the IMF for them. Would you
support more money for Argentina from the IMF, or has the well kind of
run dry there?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, it depends upon what Argentina decides to do. The
key for Argentina is to get her fiscal house in order, get monetary
policy in order, and to develop a plan that will show sustained
economic vitality and economic growth. But it's up to Argentina on how
to develop the plan. As you know, there's been an interim government
in place, there will be elections in a couple of months. And the point
we've made to the Argentinean government, as well as to our friends in
the region, is that we will be willing to help them develop the plan,
if they ask for technical advice. It will all be done through the IMF.
But the first order of business is for the Argentineans to develop a
plan to show us how they're going to get their house in order. They've
got a lot of work to do, but -- and all of us that are concerned about
Argentina are willing to work together to get the job done. There was
near unanimity on my phone calls to the other leaders in the region
that -- of the course of action that I just laid out.
Q: Have you decided that anybody should be subjected to a military
tribunal?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, Americans shouldn't, as you know. I mean, I
excluded any Americans.
Q:  Of the prisoners, have you decided that any one --
THE PRESIDENT: Oh, have I made any decisions yet? Not at all, not yet,
Dave. We're still -- I still want to make sure that the -- I still
want to see what the Secretary of Defense recommends as to how to
proceed. He has -- as I said, he hasn't seen the now famous document
that some American decided to leak.
I don't know why people do that. I guess either to make you feel good,
and-or to make themselves feel good. But, nevertheless, it was not
very helpful. And as the Secretary of Defense said, he hasn't even
seen the document yet. But they're working through, and we're working
through, as you know, all the other types of cases that have come
forward. I mean, as Tommy said, there's a lot of people to be
questioned, and there's also a lot of decisions to be made as to how
to run these folks through our system. And we're just not quite there
yet. We've got time.
Q:  What about Walker?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, same situation. We've got time. And Walker is
well-berthed on a U.S. warship. It's a heck of a lot more comfortable
on that ship than he was in the basement of that prison. When he
decided -- when he was captured, Walker made a terrible decision, and
our system is such that he'll have proper justice. But he's working
with the enemy, and we'll see how the courts deal with that.
Q: Sir, were you upset that that Secret Service agent was kept off
that plane? Because you have been saying this --
THE PRESIDENT: Yes, I was. I talked to the man this morning. I told
him how proud I was that he was by my side. He's here on the ranch,
and he's guarding me. And, of course, I was. We'll let the facts --
they're going to get the facts out. There's an inquiry going on as to
specifically what took place. But if he was treated that way because
of his ethnicity, that will make me madder than heck.
Q: There are increasing news reports that bin Laden escaped to
Pakistan --
THE PRESIDENT: Oh, yeah? Well, sorry to interrupt your question, but
if you'd asked me the question yesterday, you would have said there's
increasing news reports that he's dead, and the day before, that he's
hiding in a cave. In other words, there's increasing speculation about
bin Laden. But what one shouldn't speculate on is if he's alive, he's
on the run. And you don't need to worry about whether or not we're
going to get him, because we are. And it's just a matter of time.
I mean, I've read reports where he died his hair red. That's not going
to stop us from finding him.
Q: But what assurances have you gotten from President Musharraf that
if that is the case, that he'll find him and turn him --
THE PRESIDENT: Well, I appreciate that. President Musharraf has been
very helpful. Tommy has visited with him, I visited with him, the
Secretary of Defense has visited with him. And he said he will help in
all matters. And we believe he'll help with Mr. bin Laden, too, if, in
fact, he happens to be in Pakistan. Who knows where he is. But one
thing is for certain; he's on the losing side of a rout. And the other
thing for certain is we're not going to stop until we get him and all
those murderers that are associated with him.
And who knows how many we've gotten to date, because we're gathering
evidence. We don't know whether some of those people are in those
caves. And Tommy did a fine job of shutting them down. They may still
be locked up in there. And as you know, we're sending troops up in
that region to take a look at some of the caves to find out what's in
there. And we're going to have to dig some of them out.
But as time will go on, we will know more and more about how
successful we've been. The point is, is that we are going to be there
for a while. I'm patient. The commander on the ground is executing the
plan, and the American people are in strong support of what's taking
place.
Listen, thank you all for being here today. It's great to see you.
Welcome back to Prairie Chapel Ranch, and maybe we'll get you back out
here before the New Year's. If not, happy New Year. Thank you.
Q:  What are you doing for New Year's?
THE PRESIDENT:  Probably going to bed early.  (Laughter.)_
Q:  What are you doing with your days here?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, I'm up -- I was up this morning at 5:00 a.m.,
spent a little quality time with the First Lady. And I just finished
my book, Theodore Rex, by Edmund Moss, which is a fabulous book on
Teddy Roosevelt. I recommend people reading it. I am going to -- I
would have gotten up and run three or four miles this morning, which
I'll probably do that this afternoon. I'm going to take Tommy around
to show him parts of the ranch. But if Tommy weren't here, I'd be
working down there, a little chain-saw work, clearing some brush,
burning some brush.
We're making great progress in one of our -- one of the bottom areas
that was heretofore relatively inaccessible. One of these days I'll
take you down there. It's a beautiful place. It's a bodark grove --
bodark tree is a native tree, real hard wood that grows these giant
green, kind of apple-looking things. But I'll spend time doing that.
And then this afternoon -- it gets dark here about 5:30 p.m., and so
I'll probably watch a little University of Texas football tonight.
Q:  What about the tree you planted yesterday?
THE PRESIDENT: Tree plant, very good. My senior staff gave me a
beautiful oak, 10-inch oak. And we planted her right outside the
house. I haven't written my thank-you note yet, so I'll give them a
verbal -- thanks for the tree. It is a beauty. And we planted about --
I think we planted so far about 35 trees, live oaks and cedar elms
here. And it's going to be a beautiful sight for when these trees --
when they take off.
Did a little fishing yesterday, by the way. Not very successful. The
water is cold, the fish are at the bottom. They're not biting very
much. But just the fact that I was able to fish was a nice treat.
Thank you all.
END  10:23 A.M. CST
(end transcript)
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