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28 November 2001

Transcript: Adm. Blair Says Intelligence Sharing Helps Fight Terrorism

(Blair's Nov. 27 remarks at press roundtable in Indonesia) (2090)
Asian nations are working hard to share intelligence information in
the fight against terrorism, says Admiral Dennis C. Blair, commander
in chief of the U.S. Pacific Command.
"The exchange of intelligence among countries in the region is
unprecedented," he told journalists at a November 27 roundtable held
at the National Resiliency Institute in Jakarta, Indonesia.
"The countries here in the Pacific have been pulling together to make
sure that we can support that campaign" against terrorism, he said.
He noted that Japan is providing ships that provide logistics support
to U.S. Pacific ships. The Korean Air Force is providing transport
aircraft and a Navy ship to help haul supplies for the U.S. military
involved in the anti-terrorism campaign, the admiral said. "There's
also been other logistics support from other countries here in
Southeast Asia," he said.
Blair said Indonesia "has to be concerned about international
terrorists coming here and setting up operations," noting the
country's large size and many islands, vulnerability to illegal
migration, and the activities of smugglers.
Indonesian officials he has spoken with have agreed to combat
terrorists by sharing intelligence information and "strengthening the
work we do together," Blair said.
While there are a number of areas in which the United States can help
Indonesia in the war against terrorism, Blair said, "I think the
Indonesian armed forces and security forces have a lot of capability
to do the job here."
Following is a transcript of the event:
(begin transcript)
UNITED STATES PACIFIC COMMAND TRANSCRIPT
Adm. Dennis C. Blair Commander in Chief, U.S. Pacific Command
Journalists Roundtable
Lemhannas, National Resiliency Institute Jakarta, Indonesia
November 27, 2001
Adm. Blair: Let me take two of those minutes to tell you what I've
been doing here in Indonesia.
It's been about a two-day visit. I've met with Indonesian officials,
the President, the Minister of Foreign Affairs, the Coordinating
Minister Bambang Yudhoyono, with Admiral Widodo and some of his staff
in TNI, and then, of course, here at Lemhannas.
I'm on a trip through the Asia region talking with about six
countries, and in addition to keeping in touch on the many bilateral
regional issues that we have, and this is my fourth visit to
Indonesia, the focus on the campaign against terrorism has been a
major topic.
As I said in my remarks just now, here in the Asia Pacific region
there is really unanimous agreement by the government that we need to
go against this threat together, but each country is somewhat
different in terms of what it can do and what its policies are. So
I've been talking with my military counterparts about what we can do
together to eliminate this threat to all of our societies, and the
discussions here in Indonesia have been good and fruitful, and there's
certainly a commitment by Indonesia to attack this threat which the
leaders here feel is in its interest and something that it must go
against.
Let me stop there and take questions from you.
Question: Admiral, We've been told in the past that al Qaeda has links
to organizations here. Do you see that link?
Adm. Blair: You're going to find that I'm not going to... It's going
to be frustrating because I'm not going to give you detailed
intelligence estimates on what we are talking with the Indonesians
about or tell you publicly exactly what I think about each group and
its presence. But I will tell you this. A country like Indonesia,
large, subject to illegal migration, the activity of smugglers of
various kinds, with many islands in which security and law and order
is a tough proposition, Indonesia has to be concerned about
international terrorists coming here and setting up operations here,
and I discussed that with those I called on in Indonesia and they
agreed. They also agreed that the way to work against that is by the
exchanges of and comparison of intelligence information, strengthening
the work we do together, and we're going to be doing that.
In addition some of the historical ties of some people in the
Southeast Asia region and Indonesia in particular, the connection with
Afghanistan is known. There was a Southeast Asia brigade which fought
in Afghanistan in the 1980s. Some came from Indonesia. They've
returned. So there's plenty of material that leads all of us to
believe, including Indonesians, that they need to pursue any leads
about international terrorists here in addition to their own law and
order concerns.
Question: Up to now the U.S. has been reluctant to share pieces of
information both with Indonesia and also Malaysia because of fears
that it might fall into the wrong hands. Has that attitude changed at
all?
Adm. Blair: Yes. The exchange of intelligence among countries in the
region is unprecedented.
I would also add that the exchange of intelligence between
organizations within governments is much greater than it was before.
For instance in the United States our exchange of our military
intelligence with FBI investigations is much deeper than it was
before. And in Malaysia, in Indonesia, in the Philippines, in
Thailand, we are all comparing and exchanging information to a much
greater extent than we were before.
In any information exchange there is the consideration of protecting
sources and methods; there is the consideration of comparing
information so that you can confirm it. It's not a bright and shining
line on the middle of the page, it's more of a gradation. Virtually
all countries are leaning more towards the share side of that
gradation than they were before and that's good.
Question: Richard Gaupin from BBC. Can I just follow up? Are you
assuming that anyone who was in that brigade in Afghanistan in 1980 is
therefore a potential terrorist and therefore...
Adm. Blair: Oh, come on, Richard. No. Next question?
Question: Has the United States also made a new commitment regarding
payment programs with the TNI? So far we have heard from higher
individuals of the TNI that the government keeps promising but never
realizes. Thank you.
Adm. Blair: IMET is one of the programs that will not be resumed with
Indonesia until the full accountability reforms which the TNI is
pursuing have been completed. So IMET for military officers is not
taking place now.
Education of Indonesian civilian defense officials in the United
States has been offered, but not as military officers.
Question: During your meeting with Bambang Yudhoyono did he affirm
Indonesia's willingness to participate in a peacekeeping mission in
Afghanistan, did he express Indonesia's willingness to you personally?
Adm. Blair: He said that Indonesia would be willing to participate in
principle, as would any country. He said that when the UN request came
they would have to study the conditions and the missions to ensure
that Indonesia could supply a capability that was suitable for the
mission, but in principle he said that Indonesia was willing to
provide forces to a UN organization, peacekeeping organization in
Afghanistan.
Question: What were the terms of condition of the peacekeeping force?
Thank you.
Adm. Blair: The conditions he said were that the government and the
military staff would conduct an analysis of the request, as I said, to
ensure that it was suitable and that the Indonesian forces provided
could do what they were asked to do and have the right capabilities.
So it was the sort of prudent analysis that any of us does when we
provide forces for a UN force.
Question: Jerry Norton from Reuters. Just going to Afghanistan for a
minute, there's been criticism that in Afghanistan itself, while the
United States has been asking for support from everyone, the national
military campaign has been very much totally a U.S.-run show without
that much sharing of either planning or intelligence there and there's
some resentment by U.S. allies, especially the Europeans. Any comment
on that?
Adm. Blair: No. (Laughter) The military campaign is being conducted by
General Franks the Central Command commander. We have Pacific Command
forces that are involved -- two carrier battle groups, a Navy
amphibious ready group with Marine expeditionary forces on it, Air
Force reconnaissance aircraft that all came from the Pacific. But the
conduct of the campaign is in the Central Command.
As far as cooperation in the Pacific Command, though, there are some
specifics which are going quite well. The most unusual is the support
by the Japanese Self Defense Forces. Japan is providing ships which
provide logistics support to U.S. Pacific ships. The Korean Air Force
is providing transport aircraft and a Navy ship to help haul supplies
that we need in the campaign. There's also been other logistics
support from other countries here in Southeast Asia.
So in addition to that in the Central Command, the countries here in
the Pacific have been pulling together to make sure that we can
support that campaign.
Question: Jason Betas of Time Magazine. I just wanted to ask, how
capable do you think the Indonesian military is in attacking the
terrorist threat here given that they probably could use some help
from the U.S. military, but given the restrictions they're sort of
limited in what they can do.
Adm. Blair: We discussed that some during my meetings here and I think
that the Indonesian security forces, the police and the TNI certainly
are the right ones to pursue potential terrorist organizations here in
Indonesia.
I think the main ways that we can assist are a sort of handoff of
intelligence information that we may receive, those activities outside
of the Indonesian area which are coming this way, and we have done
some of that. In addition, we can I think conduct some exercises in
which we work on some of the international aspects of combating
terrorism, working across borders, pursuing maritime targets from one
area of the water to another and how you do those sorts of handoffs.
So it's that sort of assistance that I think could be used. But I
think the Indonesian armed forces and security forces have a lot of
capability to do the job here.
Question: Does your governments restrictions on the military
relationship with the TNI limit your cooperation with Indonesia?
Adm. Blair: We can participate with the TNI in missions which are in
our joint interest and counterterrorism is one of those so we can
cooperate in those areas, in that area. What we are not going to do is
have a full, across-the-board relationship that includes the full
range of mutual education and bilateral exercises and port visits of
the nature that we have with countries like Australia or Korea right
now. It's a selective relationship.
I've got time for about two more questions.
Question: Can you give us some assessment of how effective the
Indonesians have been in following up any leads you may have given
them on terrorist activities?
Adm. Blair: I'm not going to comment on the current ongoing
operations.
Question: Can you tell us something about the cooperation between
Indonesia, Singapore and Malaysia in ensuring security in the Malacca
Straits?
Adm. Blair: The cooperation among those countries in the Malacca
Straits has been I would say effective but not totally effective. The
number of incidents of armed robbery and piracy have spiked earlier
this year. It's now gone down some so it's not a 100 percent effective
system that is really getting completely on top of the piracy and sea
robbery threats, so I think it has a ways to go.
Question: Please describe the terrorist threat to shipping in the
Straits of Malacca?
Adm. Blair: Ever since the attack on the USS Cole in Yeman I think the
terrorist organizations in the world have realized that ships can be a
target. If you look at the Tamil Sea Tiger attacks on Sri Lankan
shipping, you realize the vulnerability of ships when they're either
in port or in constricted waters. So it's something that we take
seriously and that we think needs to be worked on. In fact we are
allocating some Navy assets to protecting certain shipping that's
important to us as it goes through these waters, in addition to
working with Indonesia and Malaysia and Singapore on that. That same
thing, just an extra measure of protection that we think is prudent.
Thanks very much.
(end transcript)
(Distributed by the Office of International Information Programs, U.S.
Department of State. Web site: http://usinfo.state.gov)



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