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16 November 2001

Transcript: U.S. Official Praises Philippine Anti-Terrorism Efforts

(Assistant Secretary Kelly's Nov. 16 "Dialogue" broadcast) (4230)
While noting that this year marks the 50th anniversary of the mutual
defense treaty between the United States and the Philippines, U.S.
Assistant Secretary of State for East Asian and Pacific Affairs James
Kelly's focused on recent anti-terrorism efforts in a Department of
State "Dialogue" broadcast November 16.
Calling the Philippine government's contribution to the anti-terrorism
coalition efforts "outstanding," Kelly praised Philippine President
Arroyo for being "very quick to speak up, very quick to take action."
Arroyo quickly granted the United States overflight rights and offered
logistics support and medical personnel, Kelly said.
Kelly also cited "a remarkable legislative accomplishment in Manila in
passing the bill that would act against money laundering" to cut off
financing to terrorist organizations.
When asked by reporters about possible U.S. assistance to help the
Philippines combat the Abu Sayyaf terrorists there, Kelly mentioned
software and training as key avenues.
"We have had a group last month in the Philippines working closely
with the armed forces of the Philippines to assess the things that are
most needed in this ongoing struggle.... and I think there are going
to be some discussions early next week with President Arroyo when
she's here over what are the best next steps," Kelly said.
"I think the government of the Philippines and its judicial system are
fully capable of exacting justice from the Abu Sayyaf terrorists," he
added.
"If problems come up, or if the government of the Philippines asks for
some help on that, I think our lawyers would certainly take a good
look at it. But right now we are entirely confident in the ability of
the Philippines to handle this terrorist threat," Kelly explained.
"We all hope, and we know the government of the Philippines is working
very hard on freeing [American hostages] and other Filipinos who are
held by Abu Sayyaf. And this job, just as our own effort against al
Qaeda, is going to go on until it's finished," he said.
Following is a transcript of the event:
(begin transcript)
"DIALOGUE"
UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF STATE
Office of Broadcast Services, Washington, D.C.
GUEST:  James Kelly, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for East
Asian and Pacific Affairs
TOPIC:  U.S.-Philippine Relations
POST:  Manila, Philippines
HOST:  Rick Foucheux
DATE:  November 16, 2001
TIME:  07:30 - 08:00 EST
MR. FOUCHEUX: Good evening, and welcome to "Dialogue," I am your host,
Rick Foucheux.
President Bush will welcome President Arroyo of the Philippines to
Washington on November 20. The United States and the Philippines are
treaty allies and share a long history of close friendship and
cooperation. President Bush has said he is particularly pleased to
host President Arroyo this year, which marks the 50th anniversary of
the mutual defense treaty between the United States and the
Philippines.
In a White House statement, Mr. Bush said, "Though borne of the Cold
War, the alliance is as important today as ever, as the United States
and the Philippines work together to combat the threats of the 21st
century, especially international terrorism."
To discuss Washington's relations with Manila, we are pleased to have
with us today James Kelly, U.S. assistant secretary of State for East
Asian and Pacific Affairs. Secretary Kelly, welcome to "Dialogue."
MR. KELLY:  Thank you very much, Rick.
MR. FOUCHEUX: It's a pleasure to have you with us. Would you care to
make a brief statement to start us off on our program today?
MR. KELLY: Sure, I'd be delighted. And good evening to friends in
Manila. Thanks for the opportunity to meet with you via satellite
conferencing on the eve of your president's visit to Washington. She's
in New York today I believe making a speech to the United Nations
General Assembly.
The U.S. welcomes the first visit of President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo
as president of the Philippines. And this working visit is going to
cover the entire range of U.S.-Philippine relations and discussions on
other items, especially the global coalition against terrorism.
President Arroyo's schedule in Washington is going to reflect the
scope and importance that the U.S. attaches to this visit of a valued
partner and ally. President Arroyo is going to meet of course with
President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Secretary of State Colin
Powell, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld, National Security Advisor Dr.
Rice, and also with the secretaries of Commerce, Treasury, Agriculture
and Veterans Affairs. Frankly, your president has an exhausting
schedule here. But, having met her, I am more than certain that she's
up to the hard work.
She is also going to meet of course with important other executive
branch officials and the leaders and members of our Senate and House
of Representatives.
In addition to the matters to be discussed, this visit will also allow
President Bush to deepen his acquaintance with President Arroyo, to
expand the personal relationship that began when they first met face
to face at last month's APEC's conference in Shanghai.
With over two million Filipinos and Filipino Americans living in the
United States, and over 100,000 Americans living in the Philippines,
our bilateral relationship is one of personal relationships. Added to
this is the fact that we share so many common values and agree on so
many important issues.
As partners and friends, our two countries have shared personal joys
and sorrows over the years. And, reflecting on the events of September
11th, it's sad to note that the Philippines shared our grief in a most
personal way, as lives of Filipinos and Filipino Americans were also
lost of course in the brutal attacks on the United States.
The Philippines is of course one of our staunch military allies in
Asia, and we are celebrating the 50th anniversary of the mutual
defense treaty. Under President Arroyo's leadership, the Philippines
was one of the first nations to offer its early, principled and
unequivocal support to the international fight against terrorism. We
are very grateful for that support, and I am sure that President Bush
is going to make that clear in his discussions with President Arroyo.
We will also be discussing ways our two countries can continue this
cooperation. We are also mindful that the Philippine government is not
just talking about fighting terrorism; it has provided support to the
international coalition. Most importantly, it is also fighting
terrorism at home through its efforts to track down the brutal Abu
Sayyaf terrorist and kidnapping group, rescue the remaining Filipino
and American hostages. We honor the courage of the Philippine armed
forces who have given their lives, and those who continue the struggle
in the fight against terrorism.
Thank you.  I'd be delighted to take questions.
MR. FOUCHEUX: We thank you, Secretary Kelly, and we open our
discussion to our participants now in Manila. We begin with the bureau
chief, the Manila bureau chief of Agence France Presse. And we welcome
you to the program, sir. Good morning. Please go ahead with your
question.
Q: Thank you. This is a very broad question to get the ball rolling.
The Southeast Asian leaders recently at the summit meeting in Brunei,
adopted a two-pronged declaration, anti-terrorism declaration. One
condemned the September 11 terror attacks in the United States, and
the other broadly pledged to take steps to counter terrorism in their
own backyard. How does the United States see this two-pronged
declaration, and how does the U.S. intend to help Southeast Asia in
combatting terrorism? Thank you.
MR. KELLY: Well, this statement by the 10 countries of the Association
of Southeast Asian Nations was of course exceptionally welcome. We
welcome their condolences and feeling with us. It suffered, as we all
know too well, the countries in Southeast Asia have suffered against
terrorism as well.
How we are going to help them is going to be in as many ways we can.
This is a tough battle against a determined and hard-to-find enemy.
And among the ways we are going to try to do this are by training and
assistance, by providing technical advice, by sharing information
across our borders, by trying to keep close tabs on people with
suspicious backgrounds that are trying to travel from place to place
-- all kinds of things like that. There's no magic solution, but we
are looking forward to working with the countries of ASEAN, as we are
with the Philippines.
Q: Secretary Kelly, this is Gigi Grande from ABS-CBN News. Pakistan's
bilateral debt of $6 million is being rescheduled as a result of
Pakistan's support for the U.S.-led coalition against terrorism. Can
the Philippines except similar financial concessions with respect to
its debts to the IMF and the World Bank, considering the fact that
President Arroyo has played a key role in mobilizing support for the
war on terrorism within the ASEAN region?
MR. KELLY: I don't think that you will find that Pakistan's debts were
forgiven. There were some delays in repayment, and I know that's
happened in the past with respect to the Philippines. I am not
familiar with the details of what's planned. President Arroyo is going
to be meeting with our secretary of the Treasury, and also with other
financial officials here. And if this is something that the government
of the Philippines needs and wants, it's certainly going to be given
very careful consideration.
Q: Assistant secretary, this is Malou Talosig from Today. I believe
that the Departments of Defense of both the U.S. and the Philippine
governments are now trying to hammer out an agreement that is similar
to the ACSA, Acquisition and Cost Servicing Agreement, that was
shelved in 1994. How important is this ACSA to you and your terrorism
campaign? Are you confident that it will be concluded during the visit
of President Arroyo?
MR. KELLY: Frankly, no I am not. I don't think we intend to work very
hard -- not at the White House. This may well come up in the
discussions at the Pentagon that the President will have. That work I
think has been going on for a while, and it's a sort of day-to-day
tending of our alliance that we do.
Right now we are very happy to have the Visiting Forces Agreement, and
we think that's working really quite well.
Q: Secretary, I am Sandra Aguinaldo, Sandra Aginaldo from GMA7
Broadcasting, Manila. I would like to ask you what role does the
United States expect from the Philippines to play in the wake of
threats from terrorists?
MR. KELLY: We don't expect the Philippines to play any particular
role. That role and contribution is up to the Philippines. And I have
got to tell you it's been outstanding. President Arroyo was very quick
to speak up, very quick to take action -- not only in granting
overflight rights, offer of logistics support, medical personnel. In
support of the effort against financing, there was a remarkable
legislative accomplishment in Manila in passing the bill that would
act against money laundering. So there have been many different kinds
of cooperation, and we are very pleased with them. But the choice of
what these are is entirely up to Manila.
Q: Yes, it's -- (inaudible) -- from Agence France Press. Mr. Kelly,
one of the impediments facing the Philippines in its battle against
terrorism is the lack of equipment, military armor and military
aircraft, artillery, et cetera. How does the U.S. intend to help the
Philippines in this aspect? Thank you.
MR. KELLY: The war against terrorism has many components. I am not
sure, frankly, that heavy artillery and fighter aircraft and bombers
are necessarily the only solutions against them. There is a software
requirement and training. And in the end these things just have to be
done on the ground, as we are seeing now in Afghanistan, and as we are
seeing in Basilan Island and near Mindanao with the ongoing efforts of
the Armed Forces of the Philippines. So the software part is as
important -- and perhaps more so sometimes -- than the hardware. And
we have had a group last month in the Philippines working closely with
the armed forces of the Philippines to assess the things that are most
needed in this ongoing struggle. And Admiral Blair returned to offer
the report, and I think there are going to be some discussions early
next week with President Arroyo when she's here over what are the best
next steps.
Q: Gigi Grande again from ABS-CBN News. If and when the terrorist
group Abu Sayyaf is wiped out, can the Philippines expect development
aid from the U.S. with respect to southern Mindanao?
MR. KELLY: Our development aid, including the focus on Mindanao, has
recently increased, and it is by no means dependent on some particular
objective. Obviously for the Philippines' own purposes, it is
extremely important that the Abu Sayyaf group be vanquished. And this
habit of seizing people, whether they be visitors to the Philippines
or even from nearby adjacent countries, and holding them for ransom is
simply unacceptable. And the terrorism against other Filipinos -- many
have been killed, savagely killed -- is also equally unacceptable. And
I know that's the position of the government in the Philippines, and
it has been working very hard against it.
But the assistance in Mindanao to try to develop institutions, try to
help fight against poverty, to help work on health questions, has been
raised over the last several years, and I expect it certainly to
continue.
Q: Mr. Kelly, Sandra again from GMA7 News Manila. I would like to ask
you -- recently the Abu Sayyaf was identified by the U.S. government
as among the groups with links to the al Qaeda of bin Laden. I would
like to ask has there been any new evidence that you uncovered that
would establish the links of the Abu Sayyaf group to al Qaeda?
MR. KELLY: I am not aware of any new evidence that would link Abu
Sayyaf with al Qaeda. Earlier, some six, seven years ago, at the time
that group was set up, there were apparently some very direct links,
even by blood and marriage relations, to the al Qaeda and Osama bin
Laden groups. Recent evidence is much less clear, and it seems to me
the Abu Sayyaf has not needed to have ongoing advice and support to do
what it is doing. But we don't know. These things are very shadowy,
and there may be ongoing contact. But I think this represents a
serious problem for the Philippines, and that represents a basis for
including Abu Sayyaf on the U.S. terrorist organization list.
Q: May I follow up on Sandra's question? This is Malou again from
Today. If and when some Abu Sayyaf members were arrested, and
considering the fact that -- well, an American hostage was beheaded,
are you willing to have one of them or all of them be extradited to
the United States and put them on trial?
MR. KELLY: I don't know that that's on the radar screen right now. I
think the government of the Philippines and its judicial system are
fully capable of exacting justice from the Abu Sayyaf terrorists. If
problems come up, or if the government of the Philippines asks for
some help on that, I think our lawyers would certainly take a good
look at it. But right now we are entirely confident in the ability of
the Philippines to handle this terrorist threat.
Q: Mr. Kelly, this is -- (inaudible) -- again from Agence France
Presse. If the Abu Sayyaf threat does not go away soon, would the U.S.
lead a campaign like what it did in Afghanistan to get rid of the
problem? Thank you.
MR. KELLY: At this time this is entirely a threat it seems to me to be
within the capabilities of the Armed Forces of the Philippines and the
Philippine police. The attacks, the actions, have all been within the
territory of the Philippines. So therefore I don't think there would
be any need. We do see, if we are requested, an opportunity to share
intelligence and perhaps offer advice. But this is something that the
Philippines needs to do for itself, and I know intends and is able to
do for itself.
Q: Mr. Secretary, Gigi Grande from ABS-CBN News. Seven kidnapped
victims of the Abu Sayyaf were released on Wednesday night.
Unfortunately the persons who were released did not include the two
American hostages, Gracia and Martin Burnham. I was wondering if you
could issue a statement on this.
MR. KELLY: Well, we are certainly happy that the terrible period of
being held as hostages has ended for those seven Filipinos, and we
very much hope that Mr. and Mrs. Burnham, and any other Philippine
hostages can soon be released. And we are encouraged by any positive
movement, and I think the release of these seven was very positive.
Q: (Off mike) -- here again. I am sure, Assistant Secretary, that the
President's visit to the United States will not only be about
terrorism, but also other issues, particularly with the Philippines
and the United States. One of them is -- one of the reporters here
would like to ask about the toxic waste allegedly left behind by the
U.S. military in Clark and Subic. How far is your commitment, or is
President Bush willing to commit on the clean-up of the toxic waste?
MR. KELLY: We have of course offered in the past environmental
training. There was an agreement I believe in the summer of the year
2000 that is being carried out of exchanges between our environmental
experts on both sides. I don't know whether this matter is going to
come up. If it does, we are certainly going to consider it. But there
has been very little discussion of the matter at the
government-to-government level before, and I don't think that we have
any pending requests on that now.
The feeling was that when we left the turnover and the clean-up under
the circumstances of the Mount Pinatubo eruptions was quite complete.
But as new facts are developed, we are going to be very happy to
discuss these with the government of the Philippines.
Q: Mr. Kelly, Sandra here again from GMA7. In terms of maintaining the
balance of power in the region, and maybe the presence of the U.S. in
Asia, how important is the Philippines? Do we expect any form of -- of
course the U.S. base is no longer allowed under the Philippine
Constitution, but in what form would the relationship between the
Philippines and the U.S. be in terms of uniting -- working together in
terms of maintaining security in the region, or helping us in the
security?
MR. KELLY: The bases at Subic and Clark are gone. They are something
out of the past. The relationship that our militaries have right now
is really quite good, and we are quite satisfied with what it is.
There were always details and things -- Admiral Blair's visit to the
Philippines, our regular consultations under the mutual defense treaty
-- all provide opportunities to do that. And of course the
Philippines' secretary of defense and I believe the chief of staff are
accompanying President Arroyo, and they are going to be having their
own meetings here.
But I see changes really only in degree, and not in scope. The U.S.
forward-deployed presence of military forces in East Asia continues.
Our ability to stop off in the Philippines and perform in exercises
with the armed forces of the Philippines -- the visit is most welcome,
as it is in other places in Southeast Asia and East Asia in general.
So we are quite satisfied with the degree of cooperation, and we are
certainly not pressing for anything that's much larger.
Q: (Off mike) -- Agence France Presse again. Can I just touch on the
situation in Afghanistan now? Now that the Taliban problem seemingly
is out of the scope now, how do you -- what is your immediate concern
now in Afghanistan?
MR. KELLY: Afghanistan is not my area of expertise, and I don't think
that the Taliban problem is really over. We have to keep our eye on
the ball, and this one is about dealing with the menace that was
caused and that was so vividly obvious on the atrocities of September
11th, and that's with Osama bin Laden and the al Qaeda force. And that
job is not yet done, and we are going to keep working on it until lit
is done.
Q: Mr. Secretary, Gigi Grande again from ABS-CBN News. This a question
from the Business World correspondent. He wants to know if there are
any economic agreements or trade agreements to be signed between
Presidents Bush and Arroyo?
MR. KELLY: No, I don't think so. But I do expect that there's going to
be a lot of discussion on the economic side -- not only financially
but on trade. The U.S. Trade Representative, Ambassador Zoellick, is
just freshly back from the World Trade Organization meetings in Doha,
which have been really quite successful. And I know that Ambassador
Zoellick is going to call on your president early next week. And so we
are ready to talk about all of these things that can enhance what's
already a very significant and welcome trading arrangement that we
have with the Republic of the Philippines.
Q: Assistant secretary, one of the reporters here wants to follow up
the Abu Sayyaf question. It says that RP has set the deadline in
crushing Abu Sayyaf, which means the Burnhams would be freed --
perhaps before the year ends, or maybe before the president and --
President Arroyo and President Bush would meet in Washington. So if
this deadline is not met, do you think it's wise for the U.S. to
military advisors again to Mindanao?
MR. KELLY: I'm not sure I follow all of the question, because I am not
really familiar (with a deadline) either set by the terrorists or
anybody else. We all hope, and we know the government of the
Philippines is working very hard on freeing Mr. and Mrs. Burnham and
other Filipinos who are held by Abu Sayyaf. And this job, just as our
own effort against al Qaeda, is going to go on until it's finished.
Q: Mr. Kelly, Sandra from ABS-CBN News. There's a question here from
one of the correspondents. Kindly evaluate the RP-U.S. mutual defense
treaty. And in what direction does the U .S. want it to go in the next
years?
MR. KELLY: This is along the lines of the earlier answer. I think we
are perfectly happy with the Mutual Defense Treaty, and it just needs
to proceed along the way. As far as the Treaty is concerned, our
day-to-day interactions of the military, our training, our help to the
Philippine forces on equipment and maintenance of the equipment that
they have -- this is all the sort of thing that goes on within that
umbrella, and we expect it to continue. And, frankly, we expect it to
get better.
Q: Another question from one of the correspondents. After the
September 11th attacks in New York and Washington, has the United
States tightened its policy on the issuance of visas?
MR. KELLY: Yes, we are looking very carefully at visas. I am not aware
of anything that would impact on the ability of Filipinos to visit the
U.S.A. In some cases, people who were born in Islamic countries may
have some delays in getting their normal visas. It's always a good
idea to apply for tourist and student visas well in advance. This is
always a hard-working matter of a lot of interest to people who want
to visit, and it's certainly going to continue. But there is no secret
that we are looking very carefully at how people come into America,
because some people came in who did us some very great harm, and we
are going to look at what we do to make sure that people like that
can't very easily get in in the future.
Q: Mr. Assistant Secretary, this is Karen Kelley, the press attache at
the American Embassy. I am afraid we have run out of time, although we
haven't run out of questions. But we would like to thank you very much
for the time that you have taken with us this evening -- your time in
the morning. Thank you, again.
MR. KELLY: Well, Ms. Kelley, it's good to hear your voice again, and I
look forward to another visit to Manila before long, and maybe we can
have some time to talk in a little more depth. Meanwhile, we are
looking forward to a great visit from President Gloria
Macapagal-Arroyo to Washington beginning on Sunday and ending on late
Monday next week -- or rather Tuesday. Thank you.
MR. FOUCHEUX: And from everyone here at "Dialogue," our thanks as well
to Assistant Secretary of State James Kelly, and all of our panelists
who joined us from Manila. In Washington, I'm Rick Foucheux. Thank you
very much for being with us, and have a good day.
(end transcript)
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