UNITED24 - Make a charitable donation in support of Ukraine!

Military

01 October 2001

Transcript: State Department Noon Briefing, October 1, 2001

(Afghanistan, coalition against terrorism, Near East Asia, terrorism,
India/Pakistan, Colombia, NIreland, Israel/Palestinian Authority,
Macedonia, Bangladesh) (10190)
State Department Spokesman Richard Boucher briefed.
Following is the State Department transcript:
(begin transcript)
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
Daily Press Briefing Index
Monday, October 1, 2001
BRIEFER:  Richard Boucher, Spokesman
AFGHANISTAN
-- Status of Afghan Refugees
-- Food Aid by World Food Program
-- Detainees
-- Conversations with Opposition Groups
-- Composition of Government
-- Bin Laden Whereabouts
COALITION AGAINST TERRORISM
-- Human Rights Concerns/Building the Coalition
-- Bolton Trip to Central Asia and Russia
-- Responsibility for Attacks
-- Latin American Response
-- Freezing Assets
-- UNGA Session on Terrorism
NEAR EAST ASIA
-- General Zinni as Consultant
TERRORISM
-- Definition
INDIA/PAKISTAN
-- Attacks in Kashmir
COLOMBIA
-- Assassination of Former Culture Minister by FARC
-- Links Between FARC and IRA
-- FARC as a Terrorist Group
-- Efforts for Peace
NORTHERN IRELAND
-- Sinn Fein Meeting
ISRAEL/PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY
-- Situation Report - Eruption of Violence
-- Secretary's Calls
MACEDONIA
-- Missing Officials
BANGLADESH
-- Elections
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
DAILY PRESS BRIEFING
MONDAY, OCTOBER 1, 2001, 12:45 P.M.
(ON THE RECORD UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED)
MR. BOUCHER: Ladies and gentlemen, it is a pleasure to be here on a
Monday. I don't have any statements or announcements, so I will be
glad to take your questions.
QUESTION: How can you not have any statements or announcements to
make, when you came out here on Friday to announce your grand drive to
get everyone who signed up for the Foreign Service exam to take it?
Does this mean that there is bad news on that front, that --
MR. BOUCHER: No, it means that I don't have the numbers yet. We will
get you numbers on that as soon as we can. I didn't see any over the
weekend yet. But I am sure there was a record turnout.
QUESTION: Could you bring us up to date on the status of relief for
Afghan refugees, beyond what you said the other day?
MR. BOUCHER: There is a great deal of work going on inside the
administration to make sure that we can deal with the needs of the
people of Afghanistan, whether they are inside Afghanistan or forced
to leave their country. As we know, there is great hardship that has
already been suffered out there through drought, with the onset of
winter, and through the actions of the government in cutting off the
ability of relief agencies to supply food to the Afghan people.
We are looking at the totality of humanitarian assistance needs for
Afghanistan and for the neighboring countries. The most urgent need
appears to be to deliver food inside Afghanistan where millions of
people are suffering. And so the United States will provide additional
food aid.
We are pleased by the report that the World Food Program has begun an
effort on Saturday to truck 200 tons of wheat from Pakistan to Kabul,
so they are looking for ways, as I think I mentioned, of trying to get
food in, managing in some cases to get food into Afghanistan, despite
the difficulties that have been created by the Taliban shutting down
the distribution system.
As you know, September 27, last Thursday, the United Nations launched
an appeal for assistance for Afghanistan and neighboring countries
that includes contingency plans for up to 1.5 million refugees. At
this point, the number of new refugees arriving at the borders of
Pakistan are estimated to be about 30,000 people.
We will respond to this appeal. We will respond to the higher number
of refugees that are anticipated, and the other needs that we see
inside Afghanistan, particularly with the onset of winter. We are
pleased that other nations have also announced their intentions to
contribute generously to the humanitarian response. We have had
excellent meetings last week in Berlin with the other donors, and we
look forward to getting together again in Geneva on Friday, I think,
to go over the specific amounts and quantities that we can provide in
more detail.
QUESTION: Is the money that the White House announced, is that part of
this, or --
MR. BOUCHER: I don't think the White House actually announced any
money. There are numbers bandied about. There are different programs
that are being looked at. But I don't have any total figures for you
yet.
QUESTION:  Anything on the trial of the detainees?
MR. BOUCHER: Let me bring you up to date on what's going on with the
detainees. The Pakistani lawyer that was selected by the Shelter Now
International detainees met with all of them on Saturday, September
29th. He has told US officials that they are well and that they were
glad to see him. He also delivered a package of food, personal items,
medicine and money for the detainees. And then on Saturday he also met
with Taliban officials, including the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Consular Chief, the supreme court justice and some of the judges who
will participate in the trial.
On Sunday, he further reported the Taliban court has convened, and the
chief justice read the charges against the detainees. The detainees on
Sunday remained in good health and spirits. I don't have details for
you at this point of the charges or the potential penalties involved.
The lawyer has told us he will keep family members and the US Embassy
informed as to the progress of the case. The parents of the American
detainees remain in Islamabad, and they are in close touch with our
embassy.
QUESTION: Well, that would include the -- there's a British journalist
now, isn't there? Is she included in this operation?
MR. BOUCHER: I don't know for sure. But I don't think so. I think this
trial has to do with the people associated with that one organization.
QUESTION: Do you have any idea approximately how long this process
might take?
MR. BOUCHER: No, we don't. We have very little information at this
point on the trial and the procedures or the charges that are to be
followed, given that the lawyer is in Kabul. We are in touch with him,
but not in any great detail. So we don't have that kind of
information. We'll see if he has it at some point when he is able to
share with us what he understands of the situation.
QUESTION: Richard, just to follow up, it seems a little curious to me
that you would be able to hear from the lawyer that they are okay and
that he delivered packages, but that he didn't tell you what the
charges were.
MR. BOUCHER: Once again, Charlie, there are difficulties in
communications. He is not necessarily able to read the whole thing and
report on it over the telephone when he talks to us. So I think we
just have to leave it to him to handle the interests of his clients as
best he can.
We have continued to make clear, as the President made clear the other
day, that the Taliban need to release all the detainees, all the
foreign nationals, including American citizens, that they hold.
QUESTION: Can I move on to a new subject? Would you care to respond to
some of the critics who are -- those critics who are suggesting that
the United States is ignoring human rights concerns, particularly in
Uzbekistan, in its efforts to build this coalition?
MR. BOUCHER: I suppose the best way to say it is that it's not true.
The United States has stood for human rights. The United States has
found that this kind of terrorism is an assault on the human rights of
everybody and needs to be fought. But, clearly, human rights is part
of the solution to the problem of terrorism and, therefore, we have
continued to work with governments and urged governments and will
continue to work with governments based on our fundamental commitments
to human rights. Our fundamental commitment is democracy, to the
development of market economies, and the campaign against terrorism is
consistent with those goals.
We have made the case in Central Asia and elsewhere that a recognition
of a legitimate right of believers in Islam is an important part of
separating the people who would use violence and use the religion as a
pretext or pervert the religion into some kind of weird justification.
You have to separate those people from the believers who go about
their ordinary business in a peaceful manner, and that remains an
important aspect of policy, as we see it.
QUESTION: In that context, then, would it be helpful if the Uzbek
Government were to stop targeting for arrest and so on?
MR. BOUCHER: We think it would be helpful if all governments expressed
a greater appreciation and support for human rights and we will
continue to urge that on all governments.
QUESTION: Isn't what they are doing now and what they were doing
before when the former Secretary of State, Mrs. Albright, went to
Uzbekistan and complained about them jailing scores of Muslims, isn't
that exactly what is happening in this country right now?
MR. BOUCHER:  No.
QUESTION:  It's not?
MR. BOUCHER:  No.  That is the simplest answer.  No.
QUESTION:  So conditions in Uzbekistan have improved since then?
MR. BOUCHER: I don't know that I would claim that. I don't know that I
would claim that. But, Matt, your characterization of what is going on
in the United States as being comparable to what is going on in
Uzbekistan, I don't accept.
QUESTION: Well, there are 500 people who are now being -- more than
500 people now detained -- I mean, for ostensibly similar reasons that
President Karimov was locking people up in Uzbekistan.
MR. BOUCHER:  I don't think you will find that to be the case.
QUESTION: I just want to clarify. In our diplomatic discussions with
these governments in general -- and I know you haven't gone into it --
is there a human rights element and can you talk about that? Is that
part of our negotiations or discussions regarding what they can do to
cooperate in terms of cracking down on terrorism?
MR. BOUCHER: We have a great many conversations with a great many
governments about cooperation against terrorism and about other issues
that are important to us. I can't tell you that human rights is
mentioned in every conversation with every person, whether they have
anything to do with human rights or not. But I can tell you that we
have been in close touch with the governments in Central Asia and
elsewhere, and we have maintained a consistent stance vis-à-vis human
rights, and we have not dropped it in any way from our agenda.
QUESTION: And have you asked the Yemeni Government to slow down a
little?
MR. BOUCHER: Once again, we're in touch with various governments
around the world. I'm not able to give a definition for each
government of what we have asked them to do or not asked them to do.
QUESTION: Now that Mr. Bolton is back from his trip, what can you tell
us about the Uzbeks and what they are willing to provide, or was the
trip in any way successful or unsuccessful?
MR. BOUCHER: I can tell you that Mr. Bolton is back in Washington. I
can tell you that we're in touch with all the governments of Central
Asia and we have been very pleased with how forthcoming they have
been, in terms of their support. But as far as region, including
Uzbekistan and Russia.
QUESTION:  Can I follow up on that?
MR. BOUCHER:  And Russia.  He was in Russia as well.
QUESTION: In terms of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and a few other
countries, you haven't detailed what they have given or promised to
give, but you have said a particular country is cooperating with the
coalition. Can you say the same about Uzbekistan?
MR. BOUCHER: I would say about any country in the region that we're
pleased with the cooperation we've gotten.
QUESTION: Can I follow up on Bolton just for a second? Did he meet
with Mr. Mamedov in Moscow, and did any of those conversations have
anything to do with missile defense?
MR. BOUCHER:  I will have to check on that.
QUESTION:  Thanks.
QUESTION: (Inaudible) the US statements over the weekend by Saudi
officials that military cooperation would be restricted?
MR. BOUCHER: Once again, without trying to go into specific details of
individual governments, it is clear to us that we have had a lot of
cooperation with the Saudi Government, that we are pleased with the
cooperation between the United States and the Saudis, that our
cooperation with the Saudis and the Gulf States has been excellent. So
we've welcomed the cooperation with the Saudi Government, and we
expect to continue to cooperate with them.
QUESTION: Can you just confirm that it was only Uzbekistan and Russia
that he went to?
MR. BOUCHER:  I'm not sure I can do that, but I'll check.
QUESTION:  That was my question.
MR. BOUCHER:  Same question.
QUESTION: The State Department has released, or published a list about
terror organizations, one of them being the Gama'a al-Islamiyya. Could
you tell me, is there any indication that this group is operating from
Austria, apart from other countries? And if there is, could you give
me any details on that?
MR. BOUCHER: I'm not able to go into much detail on the groups that
were on the lists, and I frankly don't know which countries they
operate in. I think the local authorities in these countries would be
the ones to check and find out.
QUESTION: If I could just go back to Saudi Arabia, you say that the US
is pleased and the cooperation has been excellent. Then how do you
read what the defense minister said when he said point blank that the
US would not be allowed to fly missions out of Prince Sultan?
MR. BOUCHER: I'm not going to try to explain foreign government
statements. I would say -- give you our characterization of the
situation.
QUESTION: Can I follow up on that? I'm sorry, but are you concerned at
all that you're getting mixed messages from different segments of the
Saudi Royal Family?
MR. BOUCHER: I would say that we have clear communications with the
Saudi Government, and I'm just going to leave it at that.
QUESTION:  They're not really speaking with one voice.
MR. BOUCHER: I'm not going to characterize other governments'
statements. I will leave other governments to do that.
QUESTION: Perhaps you will be able to answer this one, as it involves
the US Government. Over the weekend in Rome, there was a meeting
between people from the Hill and the former King of Afghanistan.
MR. BOUCHER:  I could plead separation of powers --
QUESTION: Exactly. I was wondering, was there someone from this
building there, Mr. Pope, perhaps? And what's the latest status of
your conversations with the King and with the other Northern Alliance
folks and others, the wide range of Afghans that you're talking to?
MR. BOUCHER: I don't know for sure. The meeting was principally the
one of US congressmen. Frequently, our embassy might have somebody
that goes along. But our Chargé met, as you know, last week on
September 25th, with the King to discuss the situation in Afghanistan.
There was a group of congressmen that met in Rome with former King
Zahir Shah, and with Afghan opposition leaders from other groups as
well.
As you know, we have had longstanding contacts with Afghan individuals
and leaders of significant factions, including regular contacts with
the former King and other groups. And we continue to work with all of
them on the situation in Afghanistan, as well as with the UN Special
Representative, Mr. Vendrell, who has been leading this effort for
quite a while on how to help reach a political settlement in
Afghanistan.
QUESTION: Just to reiterate, do you support the King's idea of
convening this -- I can't pronounce it, the Loya Girga? Do you think
that's a good idea?
MR. BOUCHER: I think what we would say is we believe, and have always
believed, that Afghanistan needs a broad-based government that is
representative of the Afghan people. I just leave it at that.
QUESTION: But, I mean, so you don't think that the specific idea has
merit?
MR. BOUCHER:  It is not for us to come up with specific ideas or --
QUESTION:  No, no, I didn't --
MR. BOUCHER:  -- try to design a future government of Afghanistan.
QUESTION: I realize that. But it's not your idea; it was his idea. Do
you think it's a good one?
MR. BOUCHER: Well, it is up to the Afghan people to decide how they go
about this.
QUESTION: This government since the attack has been working very hard
to build this coalition, this worldwide coalition against terrorism.
And you seem to have been successful in including most countries in
the world. How would you describe the phase that this building is now
entering in, in trying to manage this coalition and this crisis?
MR. BOUCHER: I think if you look at the record of what we have done
since September 11th, we spent a great deal of time working with other
governments to get their commitment and to get their pledge and to get
their decisions in international organizations for support. We have
had statements by some 47 multilateral organizations. We have had UN
resolutions and UN Security Council resolutions.
Over the last week or two, we have worked to make that more and more
specific. We managed to see steps in a number of countries on the law
enforcement side, on the intelligence side, on the terms of offering
facilities or opportunities to cooperate in other areas as well.
Late last week, we had some success in getting a UN resolution that
commits all governments, that makes it a requirement for all
governments to institute financial controls. And so this week, we are
going out more and more with other governments, looking to implement
the commitments that we've seen, looking to follow up on those
decisions in multilateral organizations, and particularly this one at
the United Nations, so that governments do increasingly implement the
decisions that we have made. And we will be talking through our
embassies around the world with all the governments in the world.
We have seen much cooperation with many countries already. And, in
fact, we have seen financial steps taken in the Persian Gulf, in
Europe, in the Caribbean, in places all around the world to try to
seize the assets and stop the financial flows associated with
terrorist groups.
We continue to take the general pledges and commitments and turn them
into specific actions that governments can take, whether they be in a
whole variety of areas, diplomatic steps: we have seen the closing of
the Taliban offices. Financial steps: we have seen the seizure of
assets and the issuance of new regulations. Law enforcement steps: we
have seen arrests in Europe and elsewhere. Intelligence sharing,
information sharing with a great variety of governments. So we are
moving to take those pledges and turn them into specific steps.
QUESTION: When you have all of these steps right now, are you focusing
primarily on Usama bin Laden and the al-Qaida network, or all of the
FTOs, all the organizations that are considered terrorist groups by
the United States? And can you define what is a terrorist group, when
you talk about this new war on terrorism?
MR. BOUCHER: Well, we use the definition in Title 22 of the US Code,
Section 2656f(d). (Laughter.) That is what it says in the excerpts to
our Patterns of Global Terrorism Report. I think that is the best
explanation we can give you of how we define international terrorism.
On your -- that was just too good; I had to answer the second part
first.
On the first part of your question, remind me what it was.
QUESTION: What are the measures that all these countries and all these
international organizations are undertaking? Are they primarily Usama
bin Laden and the al-Qaida network, or any terrorist group within
their country?
MR. BOUCHER: I guess there are two things to say about that. The first
is we have made clear to all the governments involved that when we
sign up for the fight against terrorism, and we agree and make
commitments to fight terrorism, we mean all terrorism. And the
President has made quite clear that this is a commitment that we
expect to pursue for a long time to come.
But the President has also made clear in his speech we begin with the
al-Qaida organization, and most of these steps -- many of these steps
-- that people are taking right now are specifically targeted on the
al-Qaida. The financial measures that we announced, that the President
announced last week, were designed to identify a certain number of
groups that were supporting al-Qaida financially. Many of the steps
that other governments have taken in terms of the seizure of assets
have been specifically focused on that organization.
But clearly, the commitment that is sought, the commitment -- the
obligation that is in the UN resolution last Friday, for example,
applies to all terrorism, and that's where we intend to take this
fight.
QUESTION: What can you tell us about the appointment of the General
Zinni, and what particular skills or views does he bring to this,
which the Secretary finds useful and attractive?
MR. BOUCHER: I can't tell you very much at this point. He's on the
books now as an unpaid, part-time consultant to Assistant Secretary
Burns in the Near East Bureau, and we'll offer more on definition of
duty and announcement when we can.
QUESTION: Can I just follow up on that? Does the Secretary share his
views on the Iraqi opposition?
MR. BOUCHER: Once again, I haven't defined his responsibilities, so
it's not time to discuss his views on any particular aspect.
QUESTION: Richard, I'm a bit confused, and I think people in Central
Asia and Afghanistan might be as well, because you consistently say
that you will support a broad-based government in Afghanistan, and
obviously the Taliban is not one. But at the same time you don't want
to comment to even say whether you think it's a good idea -- the
King's ideas are a good idea or not, or say if you think that anyone
else's idea is a good idea.
So what is your message? What are you trying to tell the people of
Afghanistan? That we think you should have a broad-based government,
but we're not prepared to say whether we think how you're about to go
-- how you're going to go about to do it is correct or good?
MR. BOUCHER: I think our message is the one that we've given you
abundantly and numerous times, which I'm happy to offer again. And
that is that it's not for us to design the future Afghan government.
It's not for us to decide how it will be found. We have been talking
to all the factions, we have been talking to all the parties. We
certainly believe in an inclusive process. This Loya Girga is one way
of doing that. But we're not picking the government or picking the
process.
What we do know is that the Taliban is not a representative
government, that the Taliban has betrayed the interests of the Afghan
people in many different ways, including by allowing foreign
terrorists to operate freely in Afghanistan, and that the Afghan
people deserve a better government.
QUESTION: Well, by just telling them that they deserve a better
government doesn't -- I mean, so you have no interest at all in
helping them out here?
MR. BOUCHER:  We obviously --
QUESTION: I mean, you're giving them food and you're telling them they
should have a better government, but you're not prepared to go out any
further --
MR. BOUCHER: Matt, we've, I think, discussed this subject abundantly
over the last week in the same manner. I'm not inclined to start
again.
QUESTION: Okay. Are there any plans to spread that somewhat? Are there
any plans for that message to be spread, other than from you on the
podium?
MR. BOUCHER: We talk to all the Afghan factions. I believe I've
mentioned --
QUESTION: Well, I'm talking about the people, the actual -- I mean,
not the -- I mean, the actual Afghan people who are living there, not
the opposition, not the -- I mean, the citizens of Afghanistan.
MR. BOUCHER: Well, we have a lot of different ways of -- a lot of
different people we keep in touch with, and to the extent that we talk
to factions and others outside and inside Afghanistan, I think the
word gets around.
Are you asking me, are we doing radio broadcasts? I would assume that
the broadcasters that broadcast US Government views into Afghanistan
would reflect US Government views.
QUESTION: Well, actually, no, I wasn't talking about radio
broadcasting. I was -- there have been some reports, some suggestions
that there might be leaflets being dropped and things like that.
MR. BOUCHER:  That's not something I'd be able to talk about here.
QUESTION:  Sorry?
MR. BOUCHER:  That's not something I have anything on here.
QUESTION: Can I ask a follow-up, Richard? When you say that it's up to
the Afghan people to determine their government, I mean, one of the
big problems is that the Taliban have, you know, for quite a while
been shooting non-Pashtun villagers, you know, indiscriminately. They
have a lot of guns, obviously, and the people seem powerless in the
face of the Taliban to do anything about this unrepresentative
government. I mean, can you say, at this point, is the US Government
prepared to do anything more to try to topple the Taliban?
MR. BOUCHER: We have been discussing this for a week here. Our policy
has not changed. We have not changed policy goals over the weekend. We
have not set toppling the Taliban as one of our goals.
At the same time, we recognize very clearly that the Taliban is not
representative, that they have in many ways betrayed the interests of
the Afghan people and that the Afghan people deserve better. That is
why, for a long time, including now, we have kept in touch with all
the factions, we have kept in touch with the United Nations, and they
have worked to try to organize some kind of political process that
could give Afghan people a better government.
QUESTION: I seem to recall that the United States was over the years,
has been sympathetic to the idea of a Loya Girga, and you have
actually put out statements saying that you think it is a good idea.
Am I mistaken in this? Or --
MR. BOUCHER: I don't know. I don't know when the last time was. I am
not endorsing a particular meeting method or otherwise at this point.
QUESTION: Over the weekend, General Musharraf -- or President
Musharraf of Pakistan said that you can't call everybody -- you can't
call just the ruling Taliban militia the Taliban because, in fact,
there are a lot of people in the country, in the Foreign Ministry and
also in Pakistan who consider themselves Taliban. And so, do you make
-- and follow these extreme Islamic views.
Do you make a distinction between who's actually in the ruling Taliban
militia, and other people who might follow the Taliban? And would you
be amenable to see them in a representative government?
MR. BOUCHER: Again, that's sort of specifying who is in and who is
out, and I am not about to do that.
QUESTION: But do you see moderate elements of the Taliban that you
distinguish between the people that are harboring Usama bin Laden,
perhaps in the Foreign Ministry, that might be a little more moderate?
MR. BOUCHER: I am not prepared to give you that kind of analysis of
the Taliban. I'm sorry.
QUESTION: I just wanted to go back to the terrorism definition. What
about the global reach? How do you define that? And, also -- a very
key clause, I thought, in that speech. And also, at what point does a
terrorism group move from the black list to the white list or back,
for example, if they're engaged in a peace process but accusations are
against them? Not just the IRA, but other groups as well.
MR. BOUCHER: Those are terribly theoretical questions that I don't
know that it's possible to answer at any given moment. Clearly, people
who engage in acts of terrorism are terrorists. People who engage in
acts of terrorism involving more than one country are international
terrorists. And people who engage in international terrorism on a
broad scale and have global reach.
I think it is self-evident that people who would come to the United
States and fly airplanes into the World Trade Center and kill citizens
of some 80 countries are international terrorists of global reach.
There are many other groups that operate. We have seen signs of
contacts, for example, between the IRA and the FARC in Central
America. I think, as we proceed in this manner, as we investigate, as
we look into this further with other governments, we will be able to
identify more and more the connections in the groups that do operate
on that scale.
QUESTION: (Inaudible) just operates in one country but is linked with
another group operating in another country, is that evidence of a
global reach?
MR. BOUCHER: Again, that is a terribly theoretical discussion that I
guess we will get to eventually, but at this point it is not really a
question that I can answer in any specific sense.
QUESTION: Would a Lebanese group that bombs a cultural center in
Buenos Aires count as a group with global reach?
MR. BOUCHER:  I am not trying to play games here.
QUESTION:  I'm not trying to play games either.  I am asking.
MR. BOUCHER: I don't think we should -- you're talking about
Hizballah.
QUESTION:  Yes.
MR. BOUCHER: You are asking me, is Hizballah a terrorist group with
global reach?
QUESTION:  Well, that seemed to fit the definition.
MR. BOUCHER: Read our terrorism report. You will find a description of
Hizballah that tells you what they do and what they don't do.
QUESTION: (Inaudible) list terrorism groups with global reach
eventually? Is that the plan?
MR. BOUCHER: We have already listed and we do renew the list
periodically, including I think very soon, of what we call foreign
terrorist organizations. I would say that most of those organizations
have global reach.
QUESTION: Richard, where do we stand on the question of providing
evidence, which many governments still expect and are asking for? Are
you making progress in putting together some kind of document which
you can give to us and to the world?
MR. BOUCHER: As we've said before, we are accumulating evidence, we
are accumulating information; the pile of information is building.
Certainly, there is no doubt at this point that al-Qaida was
responsible for this act. And indeed we've seen in many foreign
countries that other governments themselves are obtaining evidence and
information through their efforts, whether it be intelligence or law
enforcement. And you have statements such as that by Prime Minister
Blair of Britain, where he said he had seen information that leads him
to conclude as well that al-Qaida was responsible.
To what extent we can share that information will depend on a number
of factors, and I don't think I can advance it beyond what the
Secretary said a week or so ago, that as we have information that we
can make available, we will attempt to do so.
QUESTION: (Inaudible) the information that Prime Minister Blair seen
come from the United States, or was this evidence that the Brits had
collected on their own?
MR. BOUCHER: I don't know specifically. I know the British have
engaged in a number of law enforcement and other efforts, and I would
assume that in addition to what we have shared, that he has
information as well.
QUESTION:  Who else would you have shared this information with?
MR. BOUCHER: We cooperate on information-sharing with a great number
of countries, including most of our NATO allies.
QUESTION: Richard, this morning there has been a legislative attack in
Kashmir, and there are now -- the Indians, as well as others, are
saying that this may be rebels, or actually the Pakistani Government.
Are we trying -- what are we doing, meaning the United States
Government, to keep a lid on that situation between India and
Pakistan?
MR. BOUCHER: I would say, first of all, that we very strongly condemn
the attack today in Kashmir, as we have previous attacks. We think
that no cause can justify the deliberate targeting of civilians in
this manner. We extend our sympathies to the victims of the attack. We
extend our condolences to India, a country that has suffered many
terrorist attacks over the years.
India is a key partner in the Global Coalition Against Terrorism, and
we do believe that terrorism must be ended everywhere. So we're in
touch with the Government of India, obviously, and we have continued
to maintain a policy on Kashmir that looks to everybody with influence
to reduce the violence and to try to see that the situation there is
resolved peacefully.
QUESTION: Change of subject. King Abdullah is saying through the
official Jordanian media today that while he was in Washington,
President George Bush promised him there'd be no attacks on Iraq or
any Arab country as part of this war on terrorism.
Do you have a response to that?
MR. BOUCHER: I haven't seen those statements; I don't have a
particular response. And since it involves the President, you might
have to ask over there.
QUESTION: Well, when Secretary Powell met with King Abdullah, did he
make any assurances to him that there would be no attack on Iraq or
any other Arab country as part of the was on terrorism?
MR. BOUCHER: I'm not in a position to answer that question at this
point. I haven't seen the statements.
QUESTION: Speaking of Iraq, when Secretary Powell sees the Czech
Foreign Minister this afternoon, will there be any discussion of
possible contacts between any of the hijackers and Iraqi intelligence
officers in Europe this year?
There are reports that Mohamed Atta met an Iraqi intelligence officer
in the Czech Republic, which have been issued by Iraqi opposition
groups. Does the Administration give any credence to that, and will it
be discussed this afternoon?
MR. BOUCHER: I don't think I'm in a position at this point to go into
much detail. They will obviously discuss the situation regarding
terrorism. I think the Czech Government has put out information that
they are conducting various investigations, and of course, they are
cooperating with us as NATO ally in the activities and the
coordination that we're doing within NATO.
So I have to leave it at that for the moment. If he has something like
you have to say to us, let him say it to us before we discuss it with
you.
QUESTION: Richard, do you have any -- I have two questions. First, a
reaction to the assassination of the former co-foreign minister of
Colombia. And in that matter, the FARC are a terrorist group. What
kind of cooperation are you giving to the government of Pastrana right
now in this initiative, taking the fact that in the past, you
mentioned that the FARC had some connections or links to another
terrorist group outside Latin America? And my second question is,
since the invocation of the Rio Treaty, what specific cooperation are
you receiving from the Latin America countries? Or it was just a
political statement?
MR. BOUCHER: First of all, on the murder of the former Colombian
Culture Minister, I would say we are deeply saddened, we are outraged,
to learn of this cold-blooded murder by the Revolutionary Armed Forces
of Colombia, the FARC. Ms. Araujo had been kidnapped on September
24th. Her body was discovered by Colombian authorities late September
30th.
We extend our condolences to her family and to her husband, the
attorney general, and, as I said, to their family.
On September 30th, the FARC forcibly denied entry to the demilitarized
zone to several thousand peaceful marchers, that were led by the
presidential candidate, Horacio Serpa. This action and the murder of
Ms. Araujo highlight the FARC's brutality and the indifference to
those courageous Colombians who seek a negotiated resolution to
Colombia's longstanding internal conflict. We will have a statement to
that effect to put out for you shortly after the briefing.
QUESTION:  But you didn't answer my question --
MR. BOUCHER: I know; I'm bad at three-part questions. I generally
choose the one I feel like answering and dispense with the others. Did
you have some more?
QUESTION: Well, you don't have anything to say about the cooperation,
the links, between that you mentioned before, months ago, about FARC
and a terrorist group outside Latin America?
MR. BOUCHER: I don't have any new information on the reports that
there were links between the IRA and the FARC. Clearly, there are
investigations going on in Colombia and elsewhere and, if we have any
information to share, I am sure we will be glad to share.
As far as our cooperation with the government, we cooperate with the
government of President Pastrana many ways. And I think I would just
have to leave it at that. We supported his efforts to try to bring
peace to his country, and we will continue to support his efforts.
QUESTION:  On the Latin America question?
MR. BOUCHER: Latin America, there are quite a few things that have
been done around the world, including in Latin America. On the
financial side, for example, in Argentina, in Bahamas, in Brazil,
Canada, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Paraguay and
Uruguay, Venezuela, in each of those places, you have seen financial
steps being taken, circulars being issued, investigations being
carried out of financial matters. We have also had a great deal of
information sharing with countries in Latin America. So I think the
cooperation in that part of the world has been excellent.
QUESTION: Your answer on Plan Colombia was kind of intriguing,
especially if you compare it to the fact that you are so -- you are
tip-toeing completely around the same kind of peace initiative in
Afghanistan. Is there -- do you foresee a time when the United States
is going to come down and --
MR. BOUCHER: I don't think anybody has proposed a Loya Girga for
Colombia. We support the President of Colombia, who was elected by the
people of Colombia, democratically, and we support him in his efforts
to bring peace to his country.
QUESTION: Do you foresee a time when the United States will decide
that one way or another, to get a broad representative government in
Afghanistan would be appropriate or more appropriate than another?
MR. BOUCHER: It may be that this is the appropriate way. I think our
point is that we are not trying to choose the government, we're not
trying to specify how it has to be done. If the different people
involved in the situation decide to do something, I'm sure that would
be something we would support.
QUESTION: President Pastrana has to decide this week if he renews the
Zona Despeje or not. Would you have -- do you have something to say
about that at this point?
MR. BOUCHER: What we have said before, we're leaving the decision up
to him.
QUESTION: Okay. And the other one is, how do you consider the
guerillas and the paramilitaries in Colombia in your global fight
against terrorism?
MR. BOUCHER: We have listed both the FARC -- well, three -- the FARC,
the ELN and the AUC all as foreign terrorist organizations.
QUESTION: You say you support the peace efforts of Pastrana in
Colombia. But at the same time, there's the message that no
sanctuaries will be permitted for terrorism in the world, or I mean,
that's the concept. Isn't the demilitarized zone being used as a
sanctuary for terrorism to establish links with other terrorist groups
in the world, and being handled by a terrorist group, according to the
United States?
MR. BOUCHER: I think those are all questions that President Pastrana
will consider as he makes his decision.
QUESTION: Your Ambassador to Ireland attended a Sinn Fein meeting
(inaudible). And I am not aware -- I don't remember the last time that
happened. I'm wondering if this is an indication of a direct attempt
by your government to influence the IRA disarmament process?
MR. BOUCHER: I'm told Ambassador Egan was following his predecessor's
example by attending the annual Sinn Fein gathering. His presence was
not meant to signify anything more than the fact that we view Sinn
Fein as a key player in securing a lasting peace in Northern Ireland,
and we continue to call on them to do their part in securing this
peace.
QUESTION: Just a follow-up question on the DMZ zone. Isn't the United
States underestimating the potential of the terror groups in Colombia,
like the FARC, ELN, the AUC, with the connections that we just learned
about with the IRA, and probably other groups that we still don't
know? Isn't the US underestimating the potential damage that it can
have in the United States, realizing that a group from the other side
of the world came to our country here and attacked us in our own land?
Being this in our own hemisphere.
MR. BOUCHER: I think the simple answer is, no. We are quite aware of
the capability of these groups, we are quite aware of the danger of
these groups, and that is why we have moved against them in any number
of ways, including by designating them as foreign terrorist
organizations.
QUESTION: Since the operative phrase in President Bush's speech was,
"terrorist organizations of global reach," is the State Department
considering redefining how it creates its lists, and in the next time
it puts out a list, identifying those groups that do in fact have
global reach -- not just foreign terrorist organizations, but those
that fit the definition that the President himself made?
MR. BOUCHER: I don't know. I'll take that suggestion on board.
(Laughter.)
QUESTION: I have a question back to all of the actions that other
countries are taking on financial -- choking off financial links to
terrorism. Is the US providing basically a clearinghouse of
information, and other countries are taking its cue from that? And is
there some mechanism the State Department has set up for judging
eventually, as these new regulations and laws and efforts progress,
whether they're passing the muster? I mean, some sort of standard
formula?
MR. BOUCHER: I wouldn't say the United States has put itself in that
position. There are -- first of all, there is an international
convention on this, suppressing the financing of terrorism, that we
have encouraged all governments to sign and to implement that, as you
know, is up for ratification before our Senate. And essentially, many
of those steps are embodied in the UN resolution. So the UN resolution
last Friday becomes the standard that countries are obligated to meet,
because it is a UN Security Council resolution under Chapter VII. As
part of that resolution, there will be a committee established of the
Security Council, where they can discuss the implementation, where
they can look to how it's being done in various places. And I suppose,
as you say, sort of become the clearinghouse for information on who
has done what, and that will be the standard.
Now, clearly, we are as interested as anybody in seeing that
resolution implemented. So we are going out to our embassies and have
our embassies going to foreign governments around the world, to
encourage people to take steps as soon as possible, take steps
immediately to implement those requirements of the UN resolution.
QUESTION:  The cease-fire in the Middle East doesn't look too good.
QUESTION:  Could I go back to UN and terrorism?
Do you have any specific hopes for the UN General Assembly meeting on
terrorism this week?
MR. BOUCHER: I can make a few general comments about it. The plenary
meeting began today in the General Assembly. As I think you know, the
debate is about measures to eliminate international terrorism. It's
called a debate. I don't think there is actually too much disagreement
over the need for such measures. The US is participating fully.
Our overriding objective is to see the unequivocal and unified
condemnation of international terrorism. We think there is no middle
ground between those who oppose terrorism and those who support it. So
our objective is to see those who aid, harbor and support perpetrators
and organizers of terrorist acts be held accountable. But we will urge
member states to fulfill their obligation under Security Council
Resolution 1373 to deny financing, support and safe harbor to
terrorists. We will also urge UN member states to become party as soon
as possible to the 12 UN conventions and protocols that are designed
to combat terrorism. These 12 specialized conventions provide
important legal steps for combating terrorism. Together with the many
bilateral and regional treaties, they also provide the legal means to
fight international terrorism.
The United States is party to 10 of the counter-terrorism conventions
and the administration has requested rapid advice and consent from the
Senate for the remaining two; that is, the terrorist bombing
convention and suppression of terrorism financing convention. We are
trying to see if we can work with the Senate and get ratification of
those two this year.
QUESTION: You say you didn't think there is much debate, that everyone
is pretty unified. But, in fact, that is not really the case, is it,
because the Government of Nicaragua has taken this opportunity to try
and bring Taiwan into this. Do you think other governments should be
attaching somewhat unrelated items to this debate?
MR. BOUCHER: I think our view, and we have expressed that view around
the world to foreign governments through our embassies as well, is
that this meeting should concentrate on the issue of terrorism and the
steps that people can take against terrorism, and that other issues
not be introduced.
QUESTION:  Okay, but do you --
MR. BOUCHER: But there will be -- I mean, there will be statements of
various kinds. I'm sure people have a different take on the situation.
You may hear slightly different voices, but I think the overall tenor
of the debate and discussion will be on how we can effectively move
against terrorism.
QUESTION: Well, what about Taiwanese participation in the coalition,
and as it relates to the UN -- to what you're trying to do at the UN?
Did they get any --
MR. BOUCHER:  I don't have anything new on that.
QUESTION: But do you have -- really, you don't have anything new on
it? How about something old? Should they be --
MR. BOUCHER: No, but I'll refer you back to everything we've always
said before about Taiwan's status and participation.
QUESTION: Is this something that you think that they should be allowed
to participate in?
MR. BOUCHER: Once again, I'll refer you back to everything we've said
before.
QUESTION: But what you've said before, though, has been based on very
limited things -- Red Cross, APEC-type stuff, as immunities.
MR. BOUCHER: Once again, I'll refer you back to everything we've said
before.
QUESTION:  Yes, but you're referring me back to nothing, though.
MR. BOUCHER: No, I'm referring you back to everything we've said
before.
QUESTION:  No, but has it always been very --
MR. BOUCHER: Numerous times, we have a standard policy; the policy
hasn't changed.
QUESTION: Richard, the UN is also working on a new convention, fourth
convention against terrorism, a number 13, and they are saying it will
encompass the most important steps from the first 12.
Is the US supporting that effort, and how much is it involved in it?
MR. BOUCHER: That's not something that will be decided this week.
There have been proposals on the table for some time of a broader
convention against terrorism. There are actually several other
proposals that have been discussed at various times. I think a UN
committee will take up some time this month that issue of the broader
convention, and obviously we'll work with other governments to see if
there's something that's useful that can be worked out.
QUESTION: The cease-fire in the Middle East doesn't look too good. Has
the Secretary had any contact with the parties, either over the
weekend or today?
And other than that, are you -- what are you doing to try to
strengthen the cease-fire?
MR. BOUCHER: I don't see over the weekend that he had any phone calls
directly with the parties, with the Israelis or the Palestinians, but
clearly our representatives in the region have been in touch with the
leadership on both sides.
As for the situation today, I'd say we're deeply troubled by the
continued violence over the weekend. We condemn in the strongest
possible terms the car bomb attack this morning in Jerusalem, for
which the Palestinian Islamic Jihad has claimed responsibility. The
Palestinian Authority, we believe, must take sustained and effective
steps to preempt violence and to arrest those responsible for planning
and conducting such acts of violence and terror.
It is essential that both Palestinians and Israelis avoid actions that
jeopardize the reestablishment of direct discussions and do everything
possible to restore an atmosphere of calm. We are pleased that today's
security meetings proceeded as planned. These meetings represent an
important step towards restoring calm. Both sides must engage in the
fullest possible coordination on security issues to help ensure a
lasting halt to the terror and violence.
QUESTION: By linking your reference to the car bomb and then appealing
to the PA to take steps to preempt violence, do you think that the
Palestinian Authority could have done more in this particular case to
preempt the operation?
MR. BOUCHER: Without being able to specify this particular case, I
would say that we believe that both sides need to take every possible
step to prevent violence, and that the Palestinian Authority has a
responsibility to see that their steps are sustained, to see that
their steps are effective in preventing this kind of violence.
QUESTION: Have you, in this, asked the Palestinian Authority to
re-arrest the members of Hamas and Islamic Jihad who were in jails?
And considering that they were let out of the jails, does that in any
way make the Palestinian Authority a harborer of terrorists and
considering that they were let out of the jails, does that in any way
make the Palestinian Authority a harborer of terrorists?
MR. BOUCHER: I don't know the status of particular individuals at this
point. I'd have to check and see if there's anything we can say on
that.
QUESTION: When talking to other countries, how much attention has been
given to renditions? And have you received any promises of more
cooperation in that regard?
MR. BOUCHER: I'm sorry, is this a theoretical question I'm getting
here, or --
QUESTION: No, it's -- the latest Patterns of Global Terrorism talks
about renditions, and I'm just wondering if that's been a subject of
discussion with other countries.
MR. BOUCHER: I'm sure that where the subject had occasion to arise, it
would be raised. But, again, we have talked to a great many
governments about specific kinds of steps of cooperation we can take
in this situation, specific kinds of information-sharing, law
enforcement efforts, diplomatic efforts, financial efforts. We're
moving forward with any number of steps, with any number of
governments. So I can't say that the subject of rendition hasn't come
up, but we're not having theoretical legal discussions at this point;
we're moving forward against terrorism.
QUESTION: (Inaudible) a distinction between the East political
conflicts, such as Kashmir, or some might even say the Middle East
situation, and groups that might commit acts of terrorism with what
you call a war on terrorism?
MR. BOUCHER: The difference is that political conflicts can have
political solutions. And certainly in the Middle East we have done
everything we can to try to help the parties reach a political
solution that responds to the needs on both sides, to the aspirations
on both sides.
We don't deny people that they have the right to have differences; we
don't deny people the right to argue. But there's a clear distinction
between people who want to achieve ends through a political process or
negotiation and people who would blow up innocent people in the World
Trade Center, for example.
QUESTION: Well, has the US ever thought knowing that -- this is a
little ridiculous; I'll acknowledge this -- but knowing that al-Qaida
has had problems with US soldiers being based in the Middle East, and
Saudi Arabia in particular, has the US ever thought about discussing
this with al-Qaida?
MR. BOUCHER:  I think that's a little ridiculous.
QUESTION:  But, Richard, can I follow up?
MR. BOUCHER:  No, let's go to somebody else for a moment.
QUESTION:  Different subject.
MR. BOUCHER:  Okay, do you want to continue here?
MR. BOUCHER: Well, on the political conflicts, I mean, some of these
groups might commit what one would call a terrorist act but are still
willing to have political discussions, such as Kashmir or Chechnya, or
there are plenty of other conflicts around the world. I mean, do you
see these groups as only committing terrorist acts and not willing to
go to the table as terrorists, or anybody that commits any acts -- it
goes back to the whole definition of what is a terrorist?
MR. BOUCHER: I'll refer you back to the whole definition of what is a
terrorist. That's the best I can do for you.
It's clear that people who blow up other people with some political or
religious pretext are not seeking to advance a political cause in a
legitimate manner. You don't push for a political result by blowing
people up who have nothing to do with it.
QUESTION:  Terrorism is defined by the means?
MR. BOUCHER: Terrorism is defined by the Patterns of Global Terrorism
Report and Title 22 of the US Code.
QUESTION: (Inaudible) in Colombia -- I'm going back to Colombia. It
has been demonstrated that the FARC and other groups are not willing
to really commit to a peace process. And the people of Colombia are
asking to do something major.
If the Government of Colombia listened to what the people of Colombia
wants, which is peace, and asked the United States to do something
similar of what he's -- or what the United States are doing in
Afghanistan, to go in there and do something drastic -- I'm not
suggesting military or any other -- but drastic in Colombia, what
would be the United States' response to that, in this particular
moment, when the FARC blow up people and kill people for no reason?
MR. BOUCHER: At this particular moment, what we're doing is what I
explained to you before: we're working with the democratically-elected
leader of Colombia and supporting him in his efforts to rebuild his
country and to obtain peace.
QUESTION: It's Macedonia. There was an official call -- there was a
call from Macedonian officials today for abducted Macedonian citizens
to be returned, to be released, and they were abducted by ethnic
Albanian rebel groups. Since the Ambassador Pardew is again in
Macedonia, is he going to do anything about it? Because ethnic
Albanian rebel groups don't exist anymore officially, and the people
are still missing.
MR. BOUCHER: As far as the status of the groups, we have seen their
announcements that they intend to disband, but I wouldn't try to
explain their status at this point. We'll see if they actually carry
out what they said they were going to do.
Ambassador Pardew is back in Macedonia. What he'll be doing is working
with the parties, particularly with the politicians in Macedonia, to
see if they can implement in full all their obligations. As far as the
release of people who might have been abducted, I'm really not
familiar enough with the agreements to see if they're covered, but I
would assume that they would be, and that the ability of people to
return to their families and their homes is a key part of this entire
agreement.
QUESTION:  They are not just displaced people.
MR. BOUCHER: I know. There are these other reports. I'm not -- again,
I'm not -- I can't go into that much detail. I just don't know
specifically how they're covered in the agreements. But clearly, the
objective of having people safe and able to return to their homes is
part of the overall agreement, and I'm sure that everyone in Macedonia
will be interested in securing that result.
QUESTION: I know they haven't been designated a terrorist group, but
Secretary Powell has called the NLA "terrorists" before. So now that
they've been willing to be disarmed, and there is some kind of
political process under way, would you still consider them terrorists?
MR. BOUCHER: That gets into the question of their status as well. Have
they disbanded or not? We'll make our designations of foreign
terrorist organizations at the appropriate time, and we'll tell you
then.
QUESTION: I know you don't like to talk about specific countries, but
we haven't heard too much from President Mubarak. How would you
characterize his cooperation in this war against terrorism?
MR. BOUCHER: I think you've heard quite a bit from President Mubarak.
The Secretary spoke with Foreign Minister Maher just about a week ago
-- I can't remember what day it was last week. We've kept in close
touch with the Egyptian Government all along, and I think we've
cooperated with them very, very well.
QUESTION: Going back to Afghanistan for a moment, over the weekend,
the Taliban ambassador in Pakistan actually (inaudible) said that they
have known exactly where bin Laden was for the last two years. And I
wondered if you'd care to respond to this rather zig-zaggy
representation of the Taliban's awareness of bin Laden's whereabouts.
MR. BOUCHER: I think, first of all, that various Administration
officials responded over the weekend in different ways. I think it's
quite clear, to us at least, that the Taliban remain -- we remain
unconvinced that they are serious about combating terrorism. It's very
simple: they know what they have to do; that is, deliver bin Laden and
his organization to justice and dismantle the terrorist networks that
operate in their territory. As we have said before, it's up to them to
take action to demonstrate whether they support terrorism or whether
they are inclined to justice. And so far, everything we have seen
would indicate that they are not yet serious.
QUESTION: Two things extremely briefly and just for the record. On the
Middle East, those security talks that were had today, is it presumed
that you guys have someone there who attended and facilitated, just
like in the last one? I just wanted to make sure of that.
MR. BOUCHER:  We had someone there, and the person indeed --
QUESTION:  Facilitated it?
MR. BOUCHER: Attended and facilitated. That's what they were doing
there.
QUESTION: And the second one, which is completely on a different
subject, is do you have anything to say about the election in
Bangladesh, or is it too early?
MR. BOUCHER: I think it's too early. I'll check and see when we can.
QUESTION: You said that the Secretary did not talk to either the
Palestinians or the Israelis this weekend; can you say who he did talk
to?
MR. BOUCHER: He talked to the UN Secretary General. He talked to
several other people. He talked to -- on Saturday, he talked to the
President of Kyrgyzstan, President Akayev. He talked to the Secretary
General of the United Nations, Kofi Annan.
On Sunday, he talked to Foreign Minister Fischer, and he talked to
Omani Sultan Qaboos, the Sultan of Oman.
QUESTION:  What did he bring up with the Sultan about?
MR. BOUCHER:  The fight against terrorism.
QUESTION:  The use of bases --
MR. BOUCHER:  The fight against terrorism.
QUESTION:  Thank you.
MR. BOUCHER:  Thank you.
(The briefing was concluded at 1:45 p.m.)
(end transcript)
(Distributed by the Office of International Information Programs, U.S.
Department of State. Web site: http://usinfo.state.gov)



NEWSLETTER
Join the GlobalSecurity.org mailing list