18 September 2001
Transcript: State Department Briefing Sept.18, 2001
(Afghanistan, UNSC resolutions, Taliban/Osama bin Laden, Islamabad,
Negroponte, Annan, refugees, Mideast, Chinese journalists,
humanitarian workers/Afghanistan, departure from Pakistan, Iraq,
visits from foreign leaders, support for U.S.) (7910)
Following is the State Department transcript of the briefing:
(begin transcript)
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
Daily Press Briefing Index
Tuesday, September 18, 2001
BRIEFER: Richard Boucher, Deputy Spokesman
AFGHANISTAN
-- Situation Update/ Expelling bin Laden / U.S. delegation to
Islamabad /
Contact with Taliban
UN
-- Status of UNGA Meetings
AFGHANISTAN
-- Aid to the Afghan people
ISRAEL / PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY
-- Situation Update / Calls for Cease-fire / Departments Efforts
-- Targeted Killings
DEPARTMENT
-- State Department personnel missing in WTC Attack
CHINA
-- Curtailment of visit of Chinese IVs
AFGHANISTAN
-- Status of detained aid workers / Food aid
DEPARTMENT
-- Meetings with Foreign Ministers / International Assistance
DEPARTMENT
-- International Assistance against Terrorism / Expressions of
Condolence
-- Focus of Department Action
INTERNATIONAL ASSISTANCE
-- OAS and NATO Statements
AFGHANISTAN
-- Pakistan Cooperation against Taliban / Threats by Taliban
PAKISTAN
-- Cooperation with the U.S./Coalition
DEPARTMENT
-- Communications with Arab Countries / Chinese / Cooperation
IRAQ
-- Sanctions
PAKISTAN/AFGHANISTAN
-- Closing of Pakistani Border
DOMESTIC
-- Threats to Sikhs / Discussions with India / Xenophobia
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
DAILY PRESS BRIEFING
TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 18, 2001, 12:43 P.M.
(ON THE RECORD UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED)
MR. BOUCHER: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. I think the
Secretary just spoke to you, so I am not going to try to make any
additional statements or announcements. But if there is anything I can
help you with, I would be glad to.
QUESTION: Is there anything more you can add to what's happening in
Afghanistan, beyond the narrow question that I asked the Secretary
outside?
MR. BOUCHER: To what's happening in Afghanistan? I am not sure there
is that much to say about it. The Secretary did address outside the
fact that they appear to be having meetings that we don't have a lot
of readout from. We have seen the various press stories, speculation
or officials, people talking about the possible responses to the
request that they expel Usama bin Laden. There are these reports that
a council of religious scholars will make a decision on the issue in
the next day or two.
I just would say, for us, the issue is quite clear. There are UN
Security Council resolutions that already established the requirements
and we have repeatedly made clear to the Taliban, in the face-to-face
meetings we have had and in public remarks, that bin Laden must be
expelled to a country where he can be brought to justice for his
crimes. That is what the UN resolutions require and that is what we
would expect to see.
Those same resolutions require the Taliban end their harboring of
terrorist organizations. After the tragedies of last week, the attacks
of last week, these goals are even more important. It is not just that
bin Laden must be brought to justice but that the whole structure of
support for the terrorist organizations has to be dismantled.
QUESTION: There are some reports that the Taliban has said if all 60
members of the OIC were to call for bin Laden to be turned over, that
they would consider it. Are you considering -- are there contacts with
the OIC about this request or is that something that you would ask the
OIC to do?
MR. BOUCHER: I had not seen that particular statement or request or
reports. I am a little vague on what it is. But, in any case, I would
say we have been in touch with the OIC, the Secretary has talked to a
number of foreign ministers and the President has talked to some
leaders in the Gulf area in particular. The Secretary talked to the
Qatari Foreign Minister the other day and they are currently head of
the OIC. We noted especially the statement that the OIC made the other
day that indicated terrorist acts were un-Islamic. I forget if they
used exactly those terms, but it was a pretty strong statement. And
therefore, we have and do intend to try to work closely with those
governments.
QUESTION: Richard, is it fair to say that you all have been speaking
with various leaders in the Moslem world to ask them, perhaps, to take
bin Laden and be the place for a trial?
MR. BOUCHER: Why would it be fair to say that?
QUESTION: Well, because you just said that the UN resolution --
MR. BOUCHER: I would not say that in any way, shape or form. And,
first of all, we are not negotiating this. UN resolutions are quite
clear. He needs to be delivered to a place where he can face justice.
As I just made clear, it is not just that he needs to be brought to
justice, but that the whole network of support for this terrorist
organization and others needs to be dismantled.
The UN resolutions are quite clear. In the past, we have seen
statements about various formulations of Islamic courts coming out of
the Taliban, but frankly none of those have ever measured up to the
requirements of the UN resolution. So I don't want to speculate on
what might happen now. But it is clear to us that they need, first and
foremost, to meet the existing requirements of the UN resolution; and
second of all, to remember that he is now the prime suspect in another
horrible attack, and that could obviously lead to other consequences.
QUESTION: Who decides the appropriate place of that third country?
MR. BOUCHER: I think it's totally speculative at this point that there
might be any such thing. So I'm not going to try to speculate.
QUESTION: And has any decision been taken about sending a US
delegation to Islamabad at this point?
MR. BOUCHER: Not yet. We do intend to send an interagency delegation
to Islamabad, as the Secretary has discussed several times. There is
no decision yet on timing and who would go.
QUESTION: Any change in your intentions towards action through the
United Nations; for example, a new resolution? Have there been any
consultations on that? Do you have -- what's your view on that?
MR. BOUCHER: I don't, at this point, have anything new at the United
Nations. I would say, first, with regard to the United Nations, there
is very good news today, and that's that our Ambassador to the United
Nations, John Negroponte, was sworn in this morning, and we're glad to
be able to do that. The team up at the UN has been doing an excellent
job for us, and we look forward to his being able to go up there. He
will be up tomorrow to present his credentials, mid-day tomorrow. And
then he will be working up there to help implement the President's
strategy.
We do want to work closely with the United Nations. And in the
Secretary's meeting this morning with Foreign Minister Han, who is
President of the General Assembly, he expressed our appreciation for
the steps, the first resolution of the new General Assembly, and
Foreign Minister Han was elected and then presided over that session,
and for the efforts that they are making up there, and offered to
continue coordinating with the United Nations in various ways.
The Secretary has spoken with Kofi Annan several times. And so we will
keep working with the United Nations. But I don't have anything on a
particular new step up there.
QUESTION: Do you know -- has there been any contact yet with -- or
will there ever be with the Taliban themselves?
MR. BOUCHER: At this point, there has not been. The Secretary, I
think, has said to you that at some point, we would expect there might
be.
QUESTION: Can you tell us, to the best of the State Department's
information, whether you believe the Taliban has finished meeting, in
terms of a clerical assembly, and whether or not they have decided
that they would not at this point hand over bin Laden?
MR. BOUCHER: No. We don't know. We don't have any direct contacts, we
don't have any people there. We don't participate in clerics' meetings
in Afghanistan. So, no, we don't know for sure. We're following the
press reports on this. I suppose we will hear from the Pakistanis when
they finish their discussions. And we'll see what they come out with.
But as I've said, we believe the requirements of the UN resolution are
clear, and further know that he is the prime suspect in additional
attacks.
QUESTION: I take it if the Taliban turns Usama bin Laden over, that
would be insufficient; they would have to dismantle the terrorism
network, for them to get off the hook.
MR. BOUCHER: The President and the Secretary have made clear our goal
is to end terrorism. It is to dismantle the networks -- "rip up the
networks" in the Secretary's phrase -- and make sure that other
people, other cells, other groups can't do this kind of thing. And so,
as I've made clear, the UN resolution makes clear already that because
of the attacks in East Africa, Usama bin Laden needs to be brought to
justice, and the Taliban has to end its practice of harboring
terrorist groups. That is part and parcel of dismantling the entire
network; it is what our goal is.
QUESTION: Has there been any decision yet, especially after the talks
this morning with Foreign Minister Han, about what will happen with
UNGA?
MR. BOUCHER: I think it's called the General Debate that is usually
held -- that was to be held next week with high-level leaders coming
in from around the world, the question of holding or not holding this
debate, postponing it, is being discussed now. It has been discussed.
The decision is really in the hands of the United Nations.
Everybody agrees we should look first and foremost to the wishes of
the city. We discussed the matter with Foreign Minister Han today. I
think he indicated it is being discussed with various regional
groupings at the United Nations and that there will be some sort of
session tomorrow to decide.
QUESTION: (Inaudible) is in town today and I understand he is having
meetings with various US officials. Is there any plan at this point
for the United States to give extra support to help those refugees who
are fleeing Afghanistan or have fled Afghanistan since Tuesday?
MR. BOUCHER: If I can, let me go back a little bit to review what we
have been doing and continue to do. I know that various charges have
been made that somehow we are against Afghanistan or against the
people of Afghanistan. In fact, nothing could be further from the
truth.
We have been strong supporters over the years of assistance efforts
for the people of Afghanistan, of assistance efforts for the
internally displaced in Afghanistan, and assistance efforts for
Afghans who find it necessary to flee their country as refugees. We
have provided emergency food aid and other life-saving humanitarian
assistance to the most vulnerable people that are suffering from
drought and from the conflict in Afghanistan. From the US Agency for
International Development side, food that's targeted on the most
impoverished. In fiscal year 2001, we provided 63,000 metric tons,
that is valued at $29.29 million. Of that, about $1.9 million goes to
Afghan refugees.
We have also provided life-saving assistance to help with access to
food, water, medical services and shelter that result from the
drought. For those programs, 2001 funding is at $18.9 million. This is
only part of an overall US assistance program for Afghanistan. The
total, including aid from our Bureau of Population and Refugees, comes
to over $140 million for this year in support for the Afghan people
and for the refugees caused by the terrible and unfortunate situation
that many people in Afghanistan face.
In the immediate circumstance -- where is my number here -- we have
just given the UN High Commissioner for Refugees $2 million, which can
be used to meet initial emergency requirements and we are prepared to
consider further contributions. So we will be working with
international organizations, with US-funded nongovernmental
organizations to determine their ability to ramp up assistance in
Pakistan to Afghan refugees. So the UN has got emergency planners out
there in Pakistan, and we will work closely with them in the field, as
well as support their activities.
QUESTION: Today?
MR. BOUCHER: I would have to find the exact date. We have just given
it, so -- just. I think in the past few days. I will have to check if
it's exactly today or not.
QUESTION: Do the encouraging developments in the Middle East today
make it -- how do they affect your attempts to build this global
coalition?
MR. BOUCHER: I would go, first and foremost, to what the Secretary
said over the past few days, that we consider ending the violence and
getting back on a path of implementation of the Mitchell Report and
back towards peace and negotiations, based on Resolutions 242 and 338,
that that path is important in and of itself, for the lives of
Israelis, for the lives of Palestinians.
And so we continue to work very hard on that. We have obviously noted
that many in the Arab world who we work with in the coalition are as
concerned -- or are very concerned about the situation in the region.
And we have assured them, as we have you, that we will continue to
work on the issue of peace in the Middle East.
The Secretary has had a number of discussions and phone calls with a
variety of people in the Middle East over the last several days. In
many of these cases, it's a discussion not only of the coalition
against terrorism, but also the situation between the Israelis and
Palestinians.
So we will continue to work on that. He told you he has talked to
Foreign Minister Peres, Prime Minister Sharon, Chairman Arafat today.
We have welcomed Chairman Arafat's very explicit call for a complete
cease-fire, for maximum self-restraint, for resumption of direct
contacts to end the violence. We noted, in fact, that he made the
statement in Arabic. This is the kind of step -- exactly the kind of
step -- that we have been talking about, that we have been looking
for, and we certainly will continue to work with him and the parties
to see that these kind of steps are followed by others.
If I could just say a couple other important things about this. He
also reiterated the right of Israel to live within safe and secure
boundaries, and he reiterated his order to Palestinian security forces
to act intensively to secure a complete cease-fire. We think that's
very important. We also welcome the Israeli Government's statements,
that it will suspend offensive military operations and exercise
restraint.
So our hope is that this effort to establish a calm, to establish a
real cease-fire will be sustained, and that the initial steps, which I
said are exactly the kind of steps we have been looking for, will be
followed by the others that we have been looking for as well.
QUESTION: Richard, I hope this isn't too much of an esoteric question,
but some people who view the latest developments in the
Israeli-Palestinian front, believe that it's a direct outcome of
Secretary Powell -- as you say, that, yes, he has raised this in
conversations with Arab leaders -- but a direct outcome of this
Administration's attempt to build a global coalition.
Do you hope that this new sort of spirit of camaraderie between all
these countries lining up against terrorism could also affect other
policy issues that you have pending right now?
MR. BOUCHER: I think there are probably a number of aspects to that.
First, this kind of horrible crime has a sobering effect on a lot of
people, and makes clear once again that violence is not a path to
anything. And therefore, we would hope that people who have an
alternate path, people who have a path to resolve their differences
would once again commit themselves to that, as we see perhaps going on
between the Israelis and Palestinians.
The second is that many of the people that we work with closely in
combating terrorism, and that we expect to work with very closely in
combating terrorism, are interested in the Israeli-Palestinian
situation and, as we work on both of them, we improve the
relationships and establish a further basis for cooperation.
So I think there has always been a recognition that different issues
in the region are linked in people's minds and people care about it,
many of them at the same time. And, in terms of our approach, we have
always stressed the importance. It is not just Americans and other
people around the world who deserve to live in safety and security,
but Israelis and Palestinians too.
QUESTION: Two things briefly. Do you know, was there anyone from the
State Department who was a victim or missing from -- do you know if
this building --
MR. BOUCHER: Not that I know of, at this point.
QUESTION: And secondly, can you talk a little bit about this group of
Chinese journalists who were asked to leave last week, last Friday,
and why?
MR. BOUCHER: There was a group of Chinese on an international visitor
tour, a group of Chinese journalists, who were on an international
visitors' tour. We curtailed the visit on September 14 because, under
the circumstances, it was decided not to continue the tour. They were
in Washington, I believe, and their next stop was due to be New York.
So there was no way that they could continue that tour.
QUESTION: Well, were the reports that they had either laughed or
cheered or applauded at --
MR. BOUCHER: I really don't know. I know there have been rumors and
things like that talked about. I just don't know.
QUESTION: Well, there are other groups under the international
visitors' program that are in town, correct? And those groups were not
-- those visits were not curtailed, as I understand.
MR. BOUCHER: We are looking at all such tours on a case-by-case basis.
It will depend on the itinerary, the ease of rescheduling, things like
that.
QUESTION: So you are saying that just -- do you know if they have
actually left now?
MR. BOUCHER: I don't.
QUESTION: But they were asked to leave?
MR. BOUCHER: On the 14th, the visit was curtailed.
QUESTION: But they were asked to leave the country, yes?
MR. BOUCHER: The visit was curtailed. That's the way I put it.
QUESTION: Well, Richard, could you take the question as to whether it
was entirely related to the situation in New York, or were there other
reasons for curtailing it?
MR. BOUCHER: I don't know if I can get you anything on that. I will
see.
QUESTION: Richard, how much credit does the United States claim for
these latest developments in the Middle East? Or do you think that
it's mainly the parties themselves acting on what they see as their
own best interest under the circumstances?
MR. BOUCHER: I think we have to recognize that all along the United
States has played a very important role. The parties do, sometimes,
act in their best interests and we always encourage them to do that.
The Secretary has been in close touch with the parties, he has been in
close touch with people in the region. Our representatives in the
region have had a lot of discussions with the parties at the senior
levels, and will continue to work. I give the parties credit for
recognizing that it is important to move forward, and I give us some
credit for having helped them recognize that and show them a way to
move forward.
QUESTION: May I follow up on that?
MR. BOUCHER: Sure.
QUESTION: This is kind of building on Andrea's question. Do you feel
extra pressure to try and resolve this in order to secure the support
of a lot of these Arab states to join the coalition?
MR. BOUCHER: I don't think I would put it that way. We recognize that
there is an interplay. We recognize that people who want to work with
us in the coalition against terrorism -- remember, people are doing
this unconditionally. They are joining the fight against terrorism
because it is in their interest. They recognize, too, that this kind
of barbarism is an attack on civilization and all the great
civilizations of the world. And therefore we think that people are
joining the coalition, offering their support, offering their help
because they recognize that it is in their own interests, that this,
as many have said, is an attack on them too.
So I am not aware that anybody has is conditioned their cooperation
against terrorism. At the same time, I think I go back -- we have been
working very hard on the Israeli-Palestinian issues all along. The
Secretary has, our representatives in the region have, the President
has. Because we recognize that Israelis and Palestinians deserve a
right to live in safety and security just as we do.
QUESTION: Richard, back to the aid to Afghanistan. Do you know whether
all of the US AID workers who were in Afghanistan have left after the
Taliban ordered all foreigners to leave? And can you tell us if anyone
in our missions in Pakistan have yet availed themselves of the
non-essential departure?
MR. BOUCHER: Let's do departure from Afghanistan separately from
departures from Pakistan so we don't get them confused.
In terms of Afghanistan, our understanding is that all the foreign
humanitarian workers that were in Afghanistan have left. And obviously
that makes it impossible to conduct the programs inside Afghanistan
that we did. We are working with the UN and others to try to make sure
that we have good programs for the refugees that are in Pakistan and
may resume.
QUESTION: (Inaudible) are -- they may be sort of Pakistanis, or other
people working for the UN?
MR. BOUCHER: As far as I know, all foreign humanitarian workers have
left.
QUESTION: Except for those detained, right? Well, I just want to --
are you saying that they have left, too?
MR. BOUCHER: Matt, can I finish the sentence, please? All foreign
humanitarian workers in Afghanistan have left. The two Americans and
the other Germans and Australians who were in detention in Kabul are
still there in detention in Kabul, as far as we know. And we have been
- if you want to be very precise -- we have been in continuing contact
with the Taliban in Islamabad about the question of the detained
Americans, making clear that we felt they needed to be released. We
have also been working very closely with their families.
Okay, now, departure from Pakistan. I believe everybody by now has
probably seen the statement, our new Travel Warning for Pakistan that
was issued on September 17th. We have authorized the departure of all
US Embassy and consular personnel who are in non-emergency positions,
and of their family members in Pakistan. Our posts remain open. Some
of the employees of the consulate in Peshawar have moved temporarily
to Islamabad in light of the rising tensions in Peshawar. All our
posts in Pakistan remain available for American citizen emergencies.
We have issued the advice to Americans that they consider their
personal security situations, take measures that they deem appropriate
to ensure their well-being, including consideration of departure from
the country. Americans who decide to remain in Pakistan should
exercise maximum caution and take prudent measures.
In terms of have any of our employees or family members left, at this
stage I would say that a number of employees and family members have
expressed interest in departing the country. But that's as far as I
can go for the moment.
QUESTION: Does the State Department still oppose Israel's policies of
targeted killings?
MR. BOUCHER: We haven't changed policy on that.
QUESTION: You haven't changed any policy on that?
QUESTION: Can I go back to the people leaving? Not necessarily your
order, but was there any contact between the United States and these
NGOs who were working in Afghanistan before they told their people to
leave? I mean, have you -- did you say, have you suggested to them,
you might want to get your people out of Afghanistan?
MR. BOUCHER: Not that I know of. I think, if I remember correctly, at
least the press reporting indicated it was an order from the Taliban,
and then decisions by the groups to withdraw. I'm not sure how exactly
it was.
We are in contact with these groups all the time. They work on US aid
programs. We have very, very close contact. So, yes, we were in close
touch with them. Did we instruct them to leave, and are you in a
position to draw some conclusion about action based on that? I
wouldn't want to lead you to that kind of conclusion. So let me not go
any farther.
QUESTION: One more aid question. If we don't have anybody in the
country, what are we doing with the -- how are we disbursing the new
food stuffs that we're sending over to the refugee camps? Are we just
passing that along to Pakistani officials, or how does --
MR. BOUCHER: No, we have people in Pakistan; we don't have people in
Afghanistan. Part of our assistance is to set up and make sure we can
take care of refugees that would end up in Pakistan.
QUESTION: I wasn't saying they've necessarily left. But if we're
urging Americans not to hang around, what happens to the food? What
happens to the aid, the actual items?
MR. BOUCHER: I think, again, what we have done so far is to remove
non-emergency personnel. I think aid workers or NGOs in Pakistan who
are feeding starving people would be considered emergency personnel
for the moment.
Okay, can we start heading back?
QUESTION: There is a report floating around that the Iraqis had
requested an increase in property insurance in the days leading up to
the attack. Is that something you can confirm? Were you aware of that?
MR. BOUCHER: That the Iraqis?
QUESTION: Yes.
MR. BOUCHER: No. I have no idea. You can go find an Iraqi spokesman
and ask him about their insurance, but I just don't.
QUESTION: You are not aware of the Iraqis asking to increase property
--
MR. BOUCHER: I haven't heard the story. I haven't had a chance to
check it out. But, really, I don't think the US Government is going to
be the source of information on that.
QUESTION: (Inaudible) foreign ministers this week. Do you expect to
put specific requests to those countries this week?
MR. BOUCHER: It will depend, to some extent, on the country. I think,
as the Secretary has noted to you, we expect to cooperate with
different countries in different ways. We appreciate the outpourings
of support and the offers of assistance from around the world. I think
at last count, it was something like 194 messages of sympathy,
condolence and, in many cases, offers of assistance.
The meetings that we have coming up this week, the meeting with the
Russian Foreign Minister tomorrow, the Saudi Foreign Minister arrives
tomorrow, the meeting is not scheduled yet, could be tomorrow, could
be Thursday. The European Union Troika is coming on Thursday. The
Chinese Foreign Minister is coming on Friday. And I apologize to who I
may have left out. I have to double check on the Italian; I am not
sure if that is still scheduled. The German Foreign Minister is
coming. Foreign Minister Vedrine will come and see the Secretary this
afternoon.
So in all those meetings, in different ways, we will be talking to
people about how we can cooperate and what kind of effort we can make.
As you know, the Secretary has talked on the phone to a variety of
foreign ministers, talked in person to others. Our ambassadors have
talked to governments throughout the world. In turn, we've talked to
the ambassadors of all the countries that we have relations with,
talked to them here.
There is a basic look, I think, with every country. Can you share
information, can you help us disrupt the financial flows, can you
close your borders, can you prevent transits of groups, can you
investigate aspects of groups or attacks that might be necessary to
investigate, can you close down offices or operations? And we've seen
statements around the world, where different governments are doing
different kinds of things.
You have seen, I think, excellent law enforcement and intelligence
cooperation, particularly with allies. You have seen, I think, some
law enforcement steps being taken in Germany and Belgium. There are
things around the world that are probably noteworthy. There is
probably much more -- there is much more going on that I don't think
it is for me to announce. But in terms of public statements, you have
seen the United Arab Emirates, for example, say that they were
reviewing the status of the Taliban office there, and governments
around the world offering assistance of different kinds.
Switzerland, they have frozen several of the bank accounts of groups
that are associated with the Taliban. Pakistan, we have all seen what
they are trying to do in terms of getting the Taliban to understand
where their interests lie and what they should do. Australia, we and
Australia have invoked the Defense Treaty, so there is a basis for
that cooperation. We have agreed with the Chinese that, in addition to
the foreign minister's visit, we will have some follow-up discussions
among terrorism experts, that Chinese counter-terrorism experts will
come to Washington after the ministers' visit to plan and discuss
means of enhancing our cooperation with them. So, a great many steps
are being taken around the world. The basis for cooperation
established in multi-lateral organizations, but as well as the
specific ones.
Now, as we get more and more specific in addition to those general
steps we're talking to everybody about, there will be instances where
we get more specific. In some countries, it may be law enforcement
cooperation, in some countries it may be particular groups or
individuals we want to look at. In other countries, it may be money
flows. So there will be different kinds of specific cooperation.
QUESTION: Yesterday, the Secretary was asked about countries we have
either not gone to for assistance, or who have not offered to help.
Can you elaborate at all on those countries? And, have we actually
gone to some of these countries and they have not been responsive?
MR. BOUCHER: I think I could say that the number 194 countries that
have expressed sympathy and condolences is actually more than the
number of countries I thought existed in the world. It is really
remarkable, the outpouring of support, the willingness of the
international community. You see different places and countries
offering assistance that we haven't asked for yet. Statements in
Uzbekistan, in India and all over the place, you see different
governments doing things, we see governments doing things that we are
not in a position to talk about.
So we are buoyed by the kind of cooperation, we are buoyed by the
concrete cooperation and the fact that people are willing to take this
into action. The stark exception to all that appears to be Iraq, which
persists in keeping itself out of the international community and
persists in a just a horrible view of what's right and what's wrong.
QUESTION: If I could just try this one more time, it does seem
certainly if the Chinese are sending a counter-terrorism team to
Washington, that is just one example, I am sure there are others, of
this new spirit of cooperation in particular on terrorism. Do you have
any hope that this -- whatever you want to call it -- this cooperation
and whatnot will spill over into other issues that you have had on
your plate and, in some instances, haven't really been able to make
much headway?
MR. BOUCHER: Are you talking specifically about China, or others?
QUESTION: It doesn't matter. You've got the Russians coming here. Are
you going to be talking about Iraq? Are you going to talk about other
policies as well?
MR. BOUCHER: I would say, clearly, the issue of action against
terrorism. The fight against terrorism is first and foremost in all
our relationships and all our discussions these days. And it will be
for some time to come.
The question of how that affects other relationships, we certainly
look forward to cooperation in this area, demonstrating in a variety
of ways that we can cooperate with different people, that there are
common interests that we need to work together on.
So to the extent that we cooperate against the network that we believe
carried out this specific attack, that's good. To the extent that we
find areas to cooperate with others against terrorism as a whole,
against other groups, other means of terrorism, that's better. To the
extent that it demonstrates a kind of cooperation that can spill over
into other aspects of our relationships, that's even better. But the
first and foremost issue for us now is identifying the perpetrators
and figuring out how to rip up their network so they can't do this
again.
QUESTION: The President said that the new fight against terrorism is
the focus of his administration, and you also said that's the foremost
in every conversation, but the world does go on and there are still
other problems in the world and other things that you, as the State
Department, need to advance. How is this -- I know you have said the
government is open for business and the State Department is open for
business. How is this hampering your ability to advance other foreign
policy challenges that you saw as crucial just a few weeks ago?
MR. BOUCHER: I would say that to have one issue front and center in
all our relationships is not in any way hampering our ability to do
other things as well. You saw the Secretary this morning talked to the
South Korean Foreign Minister about the discussions that North and
South Korea have been having, about the need to encourage that process
and support that process. We are working as well on the Middle East
peace process, recognize the importance of that to our foreign policy
and to people in the region that we want to cooperate with.
We have ambassadors all over the world. We have meetings with
representatives from all over the world. But the fact that the world
joins together in a fight against terrorism, that all of us see this
as a major threat to our security, to the wellbeing of our people, to
the wellbeing of our societies means that it is issue number one for
us and for many, many others. So our job is to advance the nation's
interest, and if this is the primary interest the nation has at this
stage, then we will advance it.
QUESTION: (Inaudible) the North Koreans?
MR. BOUCHER: I think there have been some public statements from the
North Koreans. I am not able to talk about any particular
communication.
QUESTION: Are you aware of a communiqué by the Ibero-American Group --
this is Portugal, Spain and the Latin American countries -- that was
critical of the terrorist acts but which was not unanimously approved?
MR. BOUCHER: I am not aware of that. I think some of those countries
would be NATO members who invoked Article V of NATO. I am not sure who
else is in the group.
QUESTION: (Inaudible.)
MR. BOUCHER: I think you have seen statements from the OAS, you have
seen statements from NATO. Those are the ones I am aware of and those
are very positive. OAS is still considering what more it can do. They
will have a meeting of the Permanent Council tomorrow to consider how
to expand its cooperation against terrorism.
QUESTION: (Inaudible.)
MR. BOUCHER: Cooperation against terrorism. We'll leave it at that for
the moment.
QUESTION: Going back to Afghanistan, the Taliban have wondered when
Pakistan and General Musharraf and his country, if they will be of any
kind of assistance to the US, and he will play the price, number one.
Number two, if you can clarify the statement by the Foreign Minister
of Pakistan in other published reports that there is a price for
Pakistan to help the US. There are some number of conditions before
they act, three conditions. If you can clarify? Including $37 billion,
an active role in Kashmir and also India and Israel will not take part
in --
MR. BOUCHER: Let me try to go through this carefully. First of all, I
think Pakistan has agreed to everything we have asked. We are very
satisfied with the cooperation in the discussions that we have had
with Pakistan and we look to continue that cooperation. Pakistan is
with us because they recognize that this threat of terrorism next to
their borders, this network that is operating in their region, is a
threat to their society as well as ours and those of others in the
world. We want to join with them, we want to work with them.
For the Taliban to start making threats, I think merely demonstrates
once again why the world has gotten together, why the world has
realized that we need to have action against terrorism and that it is
indeed a threat to us all, to those many countries who lost citizens
in the World Trade Center bombing, including Pakistan.
For many countries, in fact, the losses at the World Trade Center were
probably the most grievous terrorist attack they had ever suffered. I
don't know if that's quite the case in the numbers with Pakistan, but
certainly they were the object of this attack as well. So we do want
to cooperate with them and many others. That cooperation was
unconditional. It was entered into without any demands, without any
conditions, without any quid pro quos.
Our view on issues like Kashmir has not changed. Our friendship with
Pakistan and the desire to be helpful to them on economic matters or
other things has not changed. And we will work on those issues,
certainly. But it was entered into without conditions and without quid
pro quos.
QUESTION: Just to follow on that, you said they agreed to everything
the US asked them, including closing all the terrorist training camps
belonging to Usama bin Laden. And also, this man was trained in
Pakistan by Pakistani secret service or whatever, ISI. And they know
where he is, they knew in the past, for the last five or more years,
and the US have been asking that Pakistan should hand over, or help us
to bring Usama -- why they have not done in the past, and now -- and
can we trust them?
MR. BOUCHER: We have had a friendship with Pakistan. We have had
cooperation with Pakistan. We have established a firm basis for
cooperation in this matter, and we intend to continue to cooperate
with Pakistan.
QUESTION: Have you had any communication in the last 48 hours or so
through third parties from Iran on the possibility of a military
operation in Afghanistan?
MR. BOUCHER: I am not going to get into communications with individual
governments, except to the extent that the Secretary makes phone calls
or things like that that we want to acknowledge. So that's, I'm
afraid, not a question I could answer.
And second of all, don't expect me ever to talk about any
communications regarding military things. So on two counts I'm not in
a position to answer that kind of question.
QUESTION: Can I have another one? In your communications with Arab
countries, are you avoiding the use of the word "crusade," and have
you had any complaints from any of your interlocutors about the White
House use of the word?
MR. BOUCHER: I don't know what we might have heard about particular
words. I think it's quite clear to all of us that the "campaign," as
the Secretary calls it, needs to be wide-ranging, needs to involve
people from all societies around the world. It's important that we
work with Arabs, that we work with Muslims in this endeavor.
Terrorism, as we have said, is a threat not only to our civilization
but to theirs as well. And we don't see this as an effort against
Arabs; we don't see this as an effort against Muslims. It's an effort
against a particular group of people who seem to have betrayed the
tenets of all religions around the world.
QUESTION: (Inaudible) Chinese (inaudible) communication or assisted
with China, working with the Pakistanis?
MR. BOUCHER: We will be talking to the Chinese about the entire
situation, particularly when the Foreign Minister comes on Friday. But
I don't know anything about meetings between the Chinese and the
Pakistanis.
QUESTION: (Inaudible.)
MR. BOUCHER: I think you're basically talking about one group. I don't
know. I'd have to check and see if there's anything I can say about
that.
QUESTION: (Inaudible.)
MR. BOUCHER: There is already a lot of different established
structures to cooperate with other governments against terrorism. The
G-8 has an active counter-terrorism activity working group. The
Organization of American States decided the other day to enhance its
cooperation against terrorism, and will be discussing that subject
tomorrow as well.
I think in a variety of groupings, then, we are active with other
governments against terrorism. In a variety of groupings, then, we are
active with other governments against terrorism. What we have seen
recently, I think, is an outpouring of support for the idea of really
making the campaign work, of not having any more tolerance, of asking
countries to choose sides and to really have everybody carry out all
possible activities to end terrorism in the world today.
What that leads to in terms of other international cooperation, I
can't quite say at this point. But clearly, the desire of the
international community to cooperate and to rid itself of this scourge
once and for all is very clear.
QUESTION: On Iraq, to sort of follow up on Andrea's question, two
things. Is the US still pursuing revising UN sanctions against Iraq?
And have you asked the countries that have diplomatic relations with
what appears to be the one nation that is against us in the coalition
against terror to cut those diplomatic ties?
MR. BOUCHER: On the second question, I'm not aware of any specifics
like that. I'll check and see if there would be anything to say.
Clearly, Iraq is once again isolating itself from the international
community through its actions and statements.
In terms of the UN sanctions on Iraq, those are on a timetable that
was five months from the beginning of July. So we'll get to that
point, and that will be something we will have to work on and make
sure that we conclude properly.
QUESTION: Under the circumstances of the last week, are we -- in the
United States Government -- asking other governments to put emergency
decrees -- or I guess you'd say specific measures in place where
people cannot travel, get finances, and other specific areas, in
smaller governments that travel here, such as some of these "rogue
states," and that we appear definitely at war with the Taliban, which
are landlocked? Is there any way where we can perhaps go to the FCC
and other units, where we can completely close down their
telecommunication under emergency conditions?
MR. BOUCHER: I'm not exactly sure where the question is in there, but
let me put it this way. We have gone to governments around the world
to take steps, like the kinds that I cited: don't allow transits;
don't allow money flows; don't allow activities by groups or
associated groups; investigate; share information; cooperate with your
neighbors on security; work with the international community on
airplane security. How exactly each government goes about this --
whether it's decrees, laws, statements, executive orders -- that will
depend on the local environment, on the local government and how they
do that.
So there are steps like that to be done. Clearly, the ability of these
networks to support themselves and operate involves many factors, and
that's why the Secretary has made clear it's going to be a
multifaceted approach. It's going to involve diplomatic activity,
legal activity, intelligence-sharing, information, immigration
authorities, airline authorities -- a whole -- any number of steps,
including possibly military ones, to rip up these networks, to get at
the people who did this horrible crime, and to make sure that
terrorism can be brought to an end.
QUESTION: Richard, a lot of Afghans have come down to the Pakistani
border, fleeing the cities in fear. Are we asking the Pakistanis to
allow them into their country and into existing or new refugee camps?
MR. BOUCHER: I'd have to check on the exact situation next to the
border. We have, as I have said, supported the UN High Commissioner
for Refugees' activities. We have recently given them $2 million. They
are looking on the ground at the situation there, and what needs to be
done to take care of people who are suffering. That's the point we're
at right now.
QUESTION: Richard, members of the Indian-American community,
particularly the Sikhs, are under attack, and one was killed in
Arizona and others are -- because of their mistaken identity, they
think they are friends -- or the look-alike of Usama bin Laden, or the
Taliban. This morning, the members of the community at the National
Press Club condemned, and are asking the Administration to take
action.
Now, as for the State Department's concern, have you received any
official protest or condemnation from India, or the Foreign Minister
or Indian --
MR. BOUCHER: I don't know what conversations we might have had with
India, but I would say that other governments have talked to us about
the issue of discrimination in the United States. And the President
has been absolutely clear in terms of our society that the openness,
the welcome that we have given to people from all around the world
needs to be maintained, that these people are fellow Americans,
members of our society. The President went yesterday to the Islamic
Center, I think, to make quite clear the point that what we are
defending is the United States as a place that represents the whole
world, that has people from all over the world, that has Americans
from all over the world. And it's very important that we maintain our
freedoms and the efforts that we have against any kind of
discrimination inside our country.
Thank you.
(end transcript)
(Distributed by the Office of International Information Programs, U.S.
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