Subject: Re: Secrets that aren't(Was: !!Contest Announcement...) From: thomsona@netcom.com (Allen Thomson) Date: 1997/01/31 Message-Id: <thomsonaE4uo5D.GKu@netcom.com> Newsgroups: sci.space.policy,sci.astro.amateur In article <01bc0ef4$e6fa3e60$35c220cc@uspppasland> "asland" <asland@ix.netcom.com> writes: [pertinent material snipped -- rant about non-judicial sanctions repressed with some difficulty] >Ted Molczan and pat have reached the heart of the reaction against Pike's >contest- the idea in some circles that "if the public is told something is >secret, than they'll believe that the <enter name of bad guys here> >don't know about it" Well, of course. If you stamp it TOP SECRET ARF BUMBLE GUFF then by definition it's very secret indeed. The fact that it can be determined by anyone who cares to invest $US100 and a few hours of time is completely irrelevant. >pat is right-a well equipped amateur, and certainly most governments are >able to image Lacrosse, Keyhole, Zircon, booster stages, Mir, etc., with ^^^^^^ >high resolution. Eh? ZIRCON was supposed to have been a CANYON/CHALET/VORTEX-like SIGINT sat the UK was developing, but was never launched. If it had been, it would have been into GEO, beyond the reach of small-aperture/ short-exposure imaging. OTOH, there was one report in a Florida newspaper in early 1990 (sorry, don't have the reference handy) that said that the payload of STS-36 was called XIRCON (Which, in American English, sounds like ZIRCON. Presumably the reporter got his/her information by phone and wasn't a good speller). Now, as events subsequently evolved, STS-36 gave birth to the famous progenitor of the "disappearing satellites," AFP-731, aka USA-53. AFP-731 was observed during and for a while after deployment, disappeared for several months, appeared for a while in a ~800 km orbit, then disappeared for good. At both the deployment and subsequent 800 km altitudes, it should have been possible to take excellent-to-useful pictures of the satellite. There a is minor religion devoted to trying to figure out just what was going on with AFP-731; if anyone has a high-resolution picture of this cult-sat, sainthood can be had by publishing it. If anyone can explain the ZIRCON/XIRCON similarity, that would also be interesting. >I don't agree with John Pike's politics, but he is pointing out the >hypocracy of keeping secrets only from the people those "secrets" are supposed to protect. The issue of abuse of national security classification authority to protect bureaucratic and partisan interests at the expense of the national interest is precisely where Pike's politics and mine converge. [entertaining and instructive material snipped] >So go ahead and put that CCD imager and tracking software to work, you >won't be divulging anything secret Well, that depends on whether you accept the bureaucratic or realistic definition of "secret." But yes, go ahead and do it, and maybe the two definitions will converge a bit. (Which, I'd suppose, is the object of John's offer.)
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