Boucher's October 23 Pyongyang Press Briefing
Albright visit prelude for possible Clinton trip to Pyongyang
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright is bringing up the issues vital
to the United States in her discussions with North Korean leader Kim
Jong Il, said to State Department Spokesman Richard Boucher in an
October 23 press briefing in Pyongyang.
While not going into details of the substance of the talks between the
top U.S. diplomat and Pyongyang's ruler, Boucher characterized the
Albright's visit as having always "been viewed in preparation of a
possible visit by the President."
But a visit by President Clinton to North Korea, he added, will depend
"on how things go on the issues."
U.S. officials, Boucher said, "are quite aware that this is the first
time that a senior United States official has met - I think perhaps
any United States official - has met with Chairman Kim Jong Il in his
While acknowledging that the trip by Albright to Pyongyang is
"historic," Boucher added that the U.S. side is also aware that "there
are a lot of things that have to be discussed, there are a lot of
issues that have to be dealt with."
The United States wants to "continue the process of improving the
relationship" with the Pyongyang regime, he said.
That was the general theme of a letter that the Secretary of State
presented to Kim from President Clinton, Boucher said, "(it) was the
expectation of further developing relations between the United States
and North Korea."
Following is the text of Department of State Spokesman Richard Boucher
October 23 press briefing in Pyongyang:
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
Office of the Spokesman
(Pyongyang, Democratic People's Republic of Korea)
October 23, 2000
Press Briefing by Richard Boucher, Spokesman
Pyongyang, Democratic People's Republic of Korea
October 23, 2000
MR. BOUCHER: I thought I'd give you an update just to run through the
day's activities and tell you what we expect tomorrow to the extent we
know. This morning the Secretary started at about 10:30 with a
courtesy call on Vice Chairman Jo. That took place at the Kim Il Sung
Mausoleum. They had a meeting of about 20-30 minutes. It was a
courtesy call. Vice Chairman Jo welcomed her. They talked about his
visit to Washington; the importance of the joint communique we issued
in Washington. He promised every effort to make the visit a success.
The Secretary for her part thanked him for the hospitality that's been
shown to her and said there's a lot to do to make this visit
successful and to ensure that any possible visit by the President
would be successful as well. Then Vice Marshal Jo walked her through
the Mausoleum and up to the place where Kim Il Sung's body is lying.
The Secretary stopped there for a brief, silent moment and then they
She then went to the World Food Program distribution site, the
Kindergarten, where I think your pool was there, or many of you might
have been there. You have her remarks. She participated in the
performance there and saw the distribution of commodities that are
brought in under the World Food Program, including a lot of those
commodities being American donations.
This afternoon the Secretary met with Chairman Kim Jong Il for about
three hours with one short break of about 15 minutes. They started
shortly after three o'clock. They finished shortly after six o'clock.
The break was just before five. The conversations were substantive. We
found them very useful. She described Chairman Kim Jong Il as very
engaged in the conversations. After a brief break they went to the
performance which you all witnessed. They've gone back to the
guesthouses where they will have dinner tonight, and they expect to
meet again tomorrow. That's about all we have for you at this stage by
way of an update. I think you all know the Secretary expects to have a
press conference tomorrow, and you can have more information then.
Q: Can you say whether they discussed missiles or terrorism?
MR. BOUCHER: I can't really. They discussed the issues that are of
concern to us.
Q: Can you tell us who was in the meeting?
MR. BOUCHER: The meetings with Kim Jong Il were relatively small after
the first introduction of the team. There was the Secretary plus four
and an interpreter. On our side the four were Ambassador Sherman,
Assistant Secretary Roth, Jack Pritchard of the National Security
Council and Chuck Kartman, Amb. Kartman.
Q: Why is there going to be a meeting tomorrow? That certainly wasn't
expected in the first place. Was it decided that they hadn't covered
enough ground tonight, or did they just enjoy each other's company so
much that they decided they want to see each other again?
MR. BOUCHER: I wouldn't use either of the descriptions. I'd just say
they decided to continue their discussions tomorrow. So they're
meeting again tomorrow.
MR. BOUCHER: Because they have more things to talk about.
Q: So they didn't finish today?
MR. BOUCHER: They have more things to talk about. They haven't
finished their discussions.
Q: Did she cover all the issues?
MR. BOUCHER: I'm not going to try to define issue by issue. I'd just
say they had substantive and useful discussions today, and they'll
continue their discussions tomorrow. They have more to talk about.
Q: Can you give us a sense of what it was like in the room? Was it
serious, humorous? Any little color or feeling what it was like?
MR. BOUCHER: I already tried by saying she found the Chairman very
engaged. It was a substantive discussion and one in which both sides
were very engaged.
Q: Do you know what time frame they are going to talk tomorrow?
MR. BOUCHER: I don't have a time for tomorrow morning.
Q: Does the Secretary plan to talk to President Clinton after this
meeting before she goes to bed tonight?
MR. BOUCHER: I don't know.
Q: When did the North Koreans give notice to you of the Secretary's
meeting today with Kim Jong Il?
MR. BOUCHER: Notified us? They notified us shortly after the courtesy
call before we went to the World Food Program that we'd be changing
the events on our agenda this afternoon and having a meeting with
Chairman Kim instead.
Q: Who was there with Kim?
MR. BOUCHER: Vice Foreign Minister Kang was there, and I don't know
who the others were.
Q: How many were there?
MR. BOUCHER: There was Chairman Kim plus three and an interpreter on
his side, at least initially.
Q: Would you say a visit by the President is more likely as a result
of today's talks?
MR. BOUCHER: I wouldn't try to characterize it. I'd characterize it
the same way we did in Washington.
Q: At what point did she know she was going to the performance, and
did you speak with her about it afterwards?
MR. BOUCHER: In the first part of the meeting, so in that first two
hours, when they came out for the break at about 4:45, they notified
us of the new schedule. At that point she had been invited to attend
the performance this evening. I spoke to her very briefly afterwards.
The only thing she said was "amazing," was the way she described it.
Q: Did he go with her? What were the logistics? Did he escort her
there? The same car?
MR. BOUCHER: No. We went by separate motorcade, and he was there when
Q: Can you tell us anything about personal conversation they had today
at their meeting before they got into the substantive stuff - chit
chat sort of thing?
MR. BOUCHER: Only to the extent that I think your pool heard some of
it as they were walking down the corridor, and they probably heard
more than I did.
Q: She said amazing about the whole meeting?
MR. BOUCHER: No, about the performance, the performance.
Q: Did you hear anything about, apparently the chatting during the
demonstration, did she explain what was said?
MR. BOUCHER: No, she didn't. I looked over a couple of times and
didn't see them chatting.
Q: I saw them chatting a couple of times.
MR. BOUCHER: You saw chatting, ok. No, we didn't talk about that.
Q: Did she say "amazing" like, "wow, that was amazing," or more like,
"amazing, I can't believe this." (laughter)
Q: We're grasping here. We need a story.
Q: We're trying to grasp her tone of voice.
MR. BOUCHER: Well, I'm trying to give you a little bit, but I can't
characterize the "amazing."
Q: Did she shake her head while saying that.
MR. BOUCHER: I'll just leave it at what she said.
Q: Did she know beforehand that it was an event that had been designed
to celebrate the 55th anniversary of the founding of the North Korean
MR. BOUCHER: It had been described to us that way, yes.
Q: Did you have an option of saying, "Thank you very much; we
appreciate your invitation, but no thanks?"
MR. BOUCHER: No.
Q: Why not?
MR. BOUCHER: It was put on as part of the program. She was invited to
attend as part of her visit here.
Q: Was the Secretary surprised at today's sudden change of schedule.
MR. BOUCHER: We had expected to see Chairman Kim during the visit. We
knew we were going to do that. There were other events on the
schedule. But I guess we always knew it was possible that he might
want to meet the first day, and that's the way it turned out. So it
was a change in the schedule, but not totally surprising.
Q: Do you think it would be fair to say that's a good sign, that he
wanted to bring forward the talks at an early stage?
MR. BOUCHER: I'll leave it to other analysts to analyze. I really
don't want to get beyond sort of -
Q: We don't have access to them though.
MR. BOUCHER: I know, but I just don't want to get beyond sort of
describing what happened today, and I'm not going to try to
Q: What did you think of the militaristic elements in the mass
MR. BOUCHER: I didn't have a chance to talk to the Secretary.
Q: No, no. What did you think?
MR. BOUCHER: That doesn't matter. (Laughter)
Q: Has she made any personal comments about the speed this has all
happened, about the fact that she's actually here?
MR. BOUCHER: Not that I can recall. I mean, we are quite aware that
this is the first time that a senior United States official has met -
I think perhaps any United States official - has met with Chairman Kim
Jong Il in his current capacity. We're certainly quite aware that the
visit is historic, but also aware that there are a lot of things that
have to be discussed, there are a lot of issues that have to be dealt
with. And we want to continue the process of improving the
I think there's one more thing I didn't mention in there, that she did
give Chairman Kim a letter from President Clinton. Generally, this is
what the letter dealt with. (It) was the expectation of further
developing relations between the United States and North Korea.
Q: Whose expectations?
MR. BOUCHER: The President's expectations of how to further develop
relations between the United States -
Q: Of how to?
MR. BOUCHER: Yes. How to.
Q: Did he give them thresholds or (inaudible)?
MR. BOUCHER: No, again, that's about as much as I can say about the
Q: Is she tired?
MR. BOUCHER: She's a -
Q: A trouper.
MR. BOUCHER: She's a trouper. She keeps working. She's had a nap, too,
Q: Would it be fair to say they were discussing the conditions for a
presidential visit today?
MR. BOUCHER: I would describe it more as, they were describing the
issues that are of concern to the United States. Being able to deal
successfully with these issues is key to having a successful visit by
Q: Could that include human rights issues?
MR. BOUCHER: Again, I'm not getting into specific ones.
Q: Say again?
MR. BOUCHER: She's discussing the issues of concern to the United
States. Being able to deal successfully with these issues is the key
to being able to have a successful visit by the President.
Q: What's the main objective of this visit? I've heard someone talk
about trying to gauge what you heard in Washington, about whether it's
true or whether it's sincere, or something about that.
MR. BOUCHER: I don't think we've tried to characterize that way. We've
described it as a visit to discuss the issues of concern and in
preparation of a possible visit by the President.
Q: At the mausoleum, is Kim's body on display there?
MR. BOUCHER: Yes.
Q: Is it buried?
MR. BOUCHER: No. His body's on display.
Q: Can you see it, walk up to it?
MR. BOUCHER: Yes. You walk into a room. It's a fairly large room. It's
kind of reddish-light marble all around. A spotlight on the body.
Q: Did she sign the book there? There's a book, I guess, where you can
MR. BOUCHER: Not that I saw.
Q: Did she bow her head?
MR. BOUCHER: Sort of respectfully stopped silently for a moment, I'd
Q: Was he dressed in military uniform?
MR. BOUCHER: I don't think so. I don't remember exactly.
Q: Did she have any reticence about going there? More than 30,000
Americans died in the Korean War.
MR. BOUCHER: She's quite aware of the history. We are quite aware of
the history. At the same time, she's on a visit. Part of a visit is to
understand what's important to your hosts, and I think it was in that
regard that she went.
Q: You sounded like both of them expected that the President is going
to visit North Korea. What they're trying to do now is to make it
successful. Is that your characterization?
MR. BOUCHER: I don't think I've changed our characterization of it.
It's always been viewed in preparation of a possible visit by the
President, and clearly that depends on how things go on the issues.
All right. We'll stop with that.
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